Producers just need to band together and eliminate the frauds selling beats at crackhead prices and fight against the A&R's, artists and record labels. We need to not let a single instrumental go for under 1000$ from the bat, no free downloads and no hosting online.
Make all the beat hosting websites shut down and revert to how it was pre Soundclick.
That's the only way, who's with me?
We had this talk in 2010-2011. And I was strongly against free work as a concept for "hip hop production". The only person who has learned from the discussion seem to be Ryan Leslie &..............Troup. And he is still making music. Call him what you like, like him or not, but at least he is capable of learning.
And Troup, I think you are smart enough to extrapolate the answer to your question @ what is missing in your business idea.
It should be fairly obvious after that video.
For all the others: I know you gonna be a Grammy winner next year and make 10s of millions a year. So it shouldn
t be a problem then that I charge 7-10k/day as a business consultant. Hire me for at least two days and we can talk. Oh right! They all want the knowledge, productivity, creativity & contacts for free. "Imma put ya on, once I'm in!". Sorry, me is no hoe.
But he's missing one critical part...
HOW DO YOU ESTABLISH THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POTENTIAL FAN? How do you cultivate that relationship, in order to start the flow of data, where his app becomes necessary / useful??
That's the one thing that I've been trying to figure out. A proprietary way to monetize my methodology of building and cultivating the Artist <-> Fan Experience.
I just watched. And what R.Les is talking about is great...owning the relationship, and collecting metrics to make better business decisions.
He's doing it in a consolidated fashion with his Actifan App.
That part is great. It's absolutely needed, and I've been doing just that (albeit with a hodgepodge of separate tools, up to and including Mail Chimp that he mentioned)....
But he's missing one critical part...
HOW DO YOU ESTABLISH THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POTENTIAL FAN? How do you cultivate that relationship, in order to start the flow of data, where his app becomes necessary / useful??
That's the one thing that I've been trying to figure out. A proprietary way to monetize my methodology of building and cultivating the Artist <-> Fan Experience.
Once i figure that out, it's off to the races.
Ryan Leslie is a walking case study... i recommend anyone to pay attention to the guy.
Fortunate for me, i've been following the guy since he first came out... it's not hard to
see how he cultivated his fanbase... he constantly engages with em, giving them his
phone number, email etc. (and he does pick up and chats it up with you - responds
to emails too). He drops videos where the audience feels as if they are walking with
him etc.
His first "behind the scenes" production videos is how he hooked the majority of his
fanbase.
Posts like these are great to get out of your "box". Aka, knowing what not to do. Sending songs and files to artists that already made it, is great, but shouldn't be your go to way of marketing yourself.
If your just selling beats, you may want to rethink your position in the music game, you need to be multi talented in mixing/songwriting/instrument/singing. Don't have to he awesome in all of those but hopefully you are in a few...
Your best shot at getting a placement is working with someone underground. Put out great stuff that may or may not make it, but it draws attention. If you can draw attention to your production, that's way more productive than sitting home waiting for an email from a top name artist who will probably never open your song.
Sit down and come up with ideas, plans. It's not just about making music, it's about having an idea, a vision and following it. Having one and then reinventing yourself as you go.
You cant just do one thing and expect results. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Think outside the box!
Are you saying that other genres don't work for free? If that's what you are saying, I would disagree. How many rock bands are out there doing stuff for free just to be heard. The industry is the industry and all of us are trying to make it in the same way.
Now, I would say hip hop is a little different bc you can have some random producer on an album that no one has ever of. Hip Hop I feel gives more chances to the masses bc it's so diverse. Not saying you should be working for free all the time. If you are, there's a problem. But there is nothing wrong w taking a shot, especially if it'll make great contacts, sometime you have to bite the bullet and remember you make music bc you love it!
I just watched. And what R.Les is talking about is great...owning the relationship, and collecting metrics to make better business decisions.
He's doing it in a consolidated fashion with his Actifan App.
That part is great. It's absolutely needed, and I've been doing just that (albeit with a hodgepodge of separate tools, up to and including Mail Chimp that he mentioned)....
But he's missing one critical part...
HOW DO YOU ESTABLISH THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POTENTIAL FAN? How do you cultivate that relationship, in order to start the flow of data, where his app becomes necessary / useful??
That's the one thing that I've been trying to figure out. A proprietary way to monetize my methodology of building and cultivating the Artist <-> Fan Experience.
Once i figure that out, it's off to the races.
I'm lost. What the f*ck are you guys talking about.