Top 10 Reasons Why the Music Industry is Failing

901_Rice_Street said:
^^^^Better yet......how are they going to "promote" the streaming of it in the future?

Will what next after Twitter, Facebook, have a great use for other ways of promotion? Those sites were never intended for you as an artist but they made and found a way for you to do what you do today. But what about the sites for tomorrow? Because after a while the labels won't need them at all because they have advertisement coming straight to your PHONE. Will the average joe be able to do the same? No....you can have soundcloud, soundclick, blah..blah..blah. But you are going to have to work 10 jobs or have a rich uncle to get it just a tiny bit like the majors are about to do it. So what everyone need to do is push soundcloud, soundclick, or whoever they use now into jumpin hard on the mobile bandwagon.......so people who use their service "FOR FREE" can feel like they have a chance at spamming again. THEY ALL SUUCK FOR MOBILE.......all of them.

Not a good look........nope.....
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true mobile creates the need for a middle man again because its hard to just walk into spotify independent, and even if you do your making pennies compared to labels that own portions of the american side of the company. Its kind of rigged to win in their favor.

I honestly feel like the next step is really your own app and your website sort of like Jay-Z. The trick will be keeping them engaged enough to want to keep your app. But you can get alot of use out of owning an app. Things like where most fans are, how many in one area are actually at your show, you can send direct messages that display at the top of there notification bar, In context ads that they have to see... The only catch is giving them a reason to interact on the app...

If Instagram can sell for a billion, why can't an artist make an app thats valued at 1% of that?
 
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If Instagram can sell for a billion, why can't an artist make an app thats valued at 1% of that?
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Here is the thing. What would make someone want an unknown artist app?

What type of marketing strategy would be great for an artist app?

Should artist be relying on other artist as some type of networking system? What is the "real" benefit of that?

The problems with unknown artist started way back in the myspace days. And some how it got passed on down the line year after year. And the few artist that have had success through the internet doesn't help the rest of the failing artist see the flaw in their thought process.

An artist can sell a shit load of apps, make a shit load of money. But it is going to take a whole lot of time. And that time should be spent more on being hands on "offline" than online. IMO of course. Because people don't give a rats ass about you being an artist is you are nobody.......got to be somebody. But damn.....dudes are even nobodies offline.....like WTF are they doing? It's silly......they are annoying ass fuuck on the internet....acting like superman.....but when they step outside their like quiet mouse. Saying the same dumb shit they say on all of the free sites they have been on since..........myspace. "I'm grinding".....foo...if you were grinding that dude you just told that would already know. Smokey had weed to be sold.....Hector came riding by.....Smokey didn't want to make that sell....Craig told his ass he better make that sell....Smokey rolling joints all through the movie..........

Then dudes act an ass..........just for attention....like that really helps.

It ain't never been easy. If we all had the answers + the drive it takes then we would all be rich. Everything sounds sweet until it's time to do it. But why waste time on shit that never work for anyone else....or when it worked, the process of "why" it worked is misunderstood even to the person that did it? Hell he did it and can't fully explain why.

Well.......it all sounds like the old school way is still the way to go. Introverts hate the thought of that....but it's the truth. Until then they will big them selves up for being placed high on these nothing ass sites that get them nowhere.

IMO of course.
 
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It's failing because you can find music for free. I haven't bought music really since 2005. I just bought the new JOE album, then I downloaded one of my favorite podcasts and it had about 7 of the songs on it for free.

Podcasts, streaming services, ripping songs right from Youtube, Youtube playlists, free mixtapes, abundance of free music,

in other words - the internets change music forever. Catchy became more important than talent. One hit wonder is no longer a bad phrase.

... and somebody else hit on it, CD Players are the new 8 Track player - worthless. Nobody is going to leave their house to get a CD when you can have 1000's of songs on your phone.

... as far as RAP music, you should've known it was doomed when people let LAFFY TAFFY become a hit.
 
^^^^but we humans are suckas man. We buy headphones to look good and assume they sound good just because they know we been using them busted up sony headphones for years, so it presents that wow factor. But only audiophile type dudes think they suck and are over priced.......(same as people who have computers know how to get whatever for free, while the averge joe don't know what a jail break is....they have heard about it...but it's their precious phone with the helo kitty protector cover.

Saying that to say.......all it would take is to tell people what new album is going where......and people are going to buy it with the click of the button. Or hell.......all they got to do is sucka all these people (who are not wise with their money) into paying for music monthly as if they don't have a choice.

All they have to do is gain some kind of control over spotify, now you not getting any good streaming quality of their products.....spotify will through bullshit at you like "GET MUSIC NOW!! HIGHEST QUALITY POSSIBLE!!! $30 A MONTH......be the same ole shit.

They were smart enough to take unlimited internet away from people and let them have gigs.......and people were happy with that except the few that knew better.

We as human beings have to be lead. I get asked all the time how to get music for free......so a lot people don't know...especially on their phone that all they use is itune or facebook or twitter or netflix or instagram.....they don't know these other sites and don't care. And they don't trust risking going to prison with "big bobby bend you over"......as that fear is in their mind.

The majors know this. And they knew this. They have a time a date when they are going to move on things....but first they got to get other stuff out the way....like golfing and stuff.

Get prepared people. Order 66.
 
^^^^^question? Why do you think the internet is the reason?

Let's not get things twisted yall. We had some bad years in music.......but are we comparing the bad years with the BEST YEARS? I think that's a reason people think the way we do.

Adele proves you wrong. J.T proves you wrong. Jay-Z proves you wrong.

But then some off brand ass rapper named J.Cole reaches to push platinum and you say the industry is failing? WTF does J.Cole have to offer? Not a damn thing.

Yet we must be comparing J.Cole to Nelly in his prime.........Kendrick to Snoop in his prime.......

That right there in bold is common sense of why..........and that's not really an industry fail. They doing something right yet some ingredience is missing. Because you got a class of introverts who enjoy the J.Cole/Kendrick/Drake stuff............ah oh............then there is Drake. Drake is a dude with a whole lot to offer......so what do these "real hip hop artist only" have to offer fans? Not a damn thing. What does Niki have to offer? A lot.

Face it yall......your favorite hip hop artist are average boring ass people. No real sex appeal........J.Cole would sell 4x if he was in a heated love scene in a movie. But now....he looks like an average college student who makes little raps and shit.

YOU FAILED!!!! You allowed these boring ass rappers to enter into a world that they never belonged to in the first place. Nelly belonged there.

But keep playing the blame game. Soon as Lil Wayne slipped and didn't stay in the same pop realm that was giving him multiple sells......he ended up in that J.Cole bracket.

Take a look at the history of sells and you will see what I mean.

The only fail on the industry is these people run to shit that is rapidly becoming popular.......THE ONLY!

And the internet musicwise is about to be owned by the industry. So now all they have to do is GET RID OF all of these dudes that don't know a damn thing about finding undeniable talent out of ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. If anything failed....it's those people's taste.

IMO of course.
 
901_Rice_Street said:
Let's not get things twisted yall. We had some bad years in music.......but are we comparing the bad years with the BEST YEARS? I think that's a reason people think the way we do.

Adele proves you wrong. J.T proves you wrong. Jay-Z proves you wrong.
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I said that in a couple prior posts. Everyone ignored it, so I thought I was just on one of my crazy rambles.
 
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@Rice - remember that pop song "Video killed the radio star..."?

The internet killed everything that could be translated into 0 and 1's. If it's digital, it suffered a tremendous hit thanks to the ability to share.

Shawn Fanning killed the music industry by himself...

As for fear or being caught, my friend used to download two and three movies a day before they were released. He actually got a letter from one of the big movie houses in Hollywood. He scanned the letter and posted online and downloaded some more movies and posted links... nothing happened to him, lol.

The internet may not kill an Adele or Jay Z but for the average - "I just came out, this is my first album!"... he's dead before his album hits the shelves.
 
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I understand what yall saying...........but who is "downloading free music" TODAY or last year or the year before?

1. People who use computers or were used to computers and have grown into downloading music....they are the ones that feel they shouldn't spend money on an album when they can get it for free.
2. People who are not hip to sites like spotify on their computer. Because pandora sucks........might as well download an album or better yet "stream it".
3. When a song is released for free and your only way to get it is to download it.
4. People with primitive mobile devices.

The illegal downloading "problem" has been old news.

Dudes I know don't download music.....they know somebody that know how to. "My dude burn me everything I wanted". They are primitive. One dude bowed down to me when I told him about spotify.

Not saying people don't download any more.....saying it's less than what people think. Which is not a fail on the music industry. When we speak downloads.......software is an option....again though...that's some advance shit. Majority of people are not as advance as we think. The have a phone....they play their games on it....they purchase music from itunes or where ever...because it's how they were trained to do. They got to the people before the "hackers and wizes" got to them. lol! People have "netflix" taking their money every month. Music Unlimited.....and on and on. These places are advertise to the "human idiots" who don't know how to download this stuff AND HAVE IT WITHOUT NEEDING THOSE SITES TO CLICK ON. And those human idiots don't care...because they are used to doing it the same way people were used to going to the lime or the bear.

It was a problem back with them limes and bears and stuff like that. Because it was not about the music, but the addiction of using it. That addiction is gone with the death of those places.

Just found this.......
Illegal music downloads dropped in 2012, says report | Internet & Media - CNET News

It's going to keep dropping. Why download "porn" when you can stream it?

O.K....with that said.........the majors are no fools.....maybe these deaf and blind ass A&Rs...but they knew this shit from back then when it was a fail.

The "phone" killed the www. Android and IOS is just getting started as they will put an end to the old ways of the internet. And some shit that you will hook up to your brain is the next level....(sorry to be on some conspiracy type shit).

Who needs facebook when android users (or IOS users) have their own "video game type way" of being social. A virtual you. Who would need twitter? That's right....people with "old phones"..........MORE MONEY SPENT EVERY YEAR. The industry is no fool to this...they know how to blend in with all of that.

PS4 and XBOX ONE is about to show the world the next level.....(mainly PS4).
 
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deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I said that in a couple prior posts. Everyone ignored it, so I thought I was just on one of my crazy rambles.
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Because people don't know what are "real superstar is"

They fell for hype for too long.

Kanye breaking his neck to be that.......but reality is he is not a true "mega star". He is "good" and even better at faking it. I find Kanye funny ass hell. He is doing it the right way though.

Gaga? Megastar. Taylor Swift? Megastar. They fit in where they belong.

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT TIMES HAVE CHANGED IN MUSIC BULLSHIT!!! People use that excuse because they truly never felt anything....because in their genre a MEGASTAR doesn't exist. The closet thing they have had was Lil Wayne...that's excluding Flo Rida and Pit Bull. Money was invested big time in Pit Bull.....he can't help but to be a megastar.

NOW WHO IN HIP HOP HAS DEVELOPED ENOUGH MOMENTUM TO MAKE THE FOLKS SPEND $20 - $50 mill lately?

Nobody....because they ain't worth it. They are boring. You got to get it how you can......because we already know you ain't worth 5 to 6 years of OUR money.

Keep dreaming these boring ass rappers with no sex appeal will be a + in helping the industry NOT fail. They need to stick to where they belong......in the same category as Petey Pablo and nem.

You mean to tell me these rappers have less star power than Petey Pablo? "Freak A leak slaughters anything Any of these new rappers have done. And they selling records in the same multitude as Petey nem. Sounds like a win to me.

Who failing? These next in the food chain ass labels. CEO rappers putting out three albums before their artists can get one got damn single. And that single is going to have them in it of course. and before that...one of their starters got to stay relevent......but damn he ain't relevent no more so that means I as CEO got to pull the weight.

WTF.....they get them selves in shit they weren't ready for. AND the major they are under knew that shit FROM THE JUMP....but they don't lose.....they just keep making the CEO rapper work harder on himself...crack that whip. lol!!!!

Watch this shit carefully.
 
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Why is the lack of business savvy and the inability to understand your target audience not on the list? Why is there no mention of the 65,990,003 clones and maybe 234 forward thinking individuals?

@The op, the labels have not stopped doing their job. They weren't finding the next new and amazing thing because they gave a shit about anyone. They did it because the people were revenue streams and could easily be manipulated. All one has to do is look at music from the 40's to the 80's to figure this out. Then when you factor in radio advertising you start to get a more realistic picture. The record labels didn't become too big, they didn't utilize other markets how they should have and there are only three majors now anyway. You can't be "too big" when a major chunk of your revenue depends on licensing songs from your massive catalog.

In regards to #3, that has been something since labels were invented and since people had dreams to be a musician. Concerning point #4, that is actually a double edged sword as it contributed to cliques/elitist attitudes/good ole boys network and people being locked out of certain jobs. But I feel you on the part about knowledge and that's where a lot of things go wrong. People simply don't know. Is there lack of knowledge based on unwillingness to learn or have they simply not been pointed in the right direction? I agree with #5. You make an album (or any product for that matter) then you're competing against everyone else for that persons disposable income. Snack companies, movie companies, other artists, clothing companies, magazine companies, etc. You're competing with these guys NOT just the artists in your genre.

#6 is up for debate, but I sorta agree. I disagree with #7. If the mp3 is encoded correctly there is no issue. What should be an issue, at this point in time, is the 16 bit resolution. In addition, one could say music today sounds horrible because it wasn't dumped on tape or because of the use of heavy limiting and compression. Moreover, the design of the output device (headphones) and how it, along with loud music, can lead to ear fatigue and ear damage need to be considered.

#8 is a cultural thing that I personally am striving to change with my new distribution method.

#9 and #10 are subjective and up for debate. There are plenty of musical people that don't get heard, but the average person has a very short attention span. Personally speaking, I couldn't sell the more musical tracks to a lot of rappers here in the bay. I had to sell them to companies because the majority of rappers wanted crazy shit that I really wasn't comfortable making or couldn't make because I didn't understand the music. Then I started to dumb things down, for the junkies and niggas on these faggoty ass drugs, and boom, even more money started coming in. And mind you, they were coming to me, I wasn't soliciting for work or asking to work with them, so it's kinda hard when you have to work with these type of people. And then they might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer and there is a 99.999999999999% chance that what they want doesn't make sense sonically/musically or they lack the ability to convey what they want.

In closing, I just hope everyone looks at what they feel is the problem and take the steps to rectify it. I know I am, I've taken all the steps I needed to take, now it's pretty much gonna be put up or shut up time for me, but it is what it is.
 
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the_beats_bastard said:
Because it is the reason. You can give whatever rational explanation you can muster but the bottom line is something that you can get for free will never have any value. Sorry to break your bubble.
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Honestly though its an advance in technology. You HAVE to change with the times point blank. There's buggy salesmen probably shaking their head saying see you don't need $3.50 a gallon, and monthly car note the rest of your life to ride a horse and buggy....

But as much as the salesman for horse and buggys can moan we've MOVED ON. The world moved on from CDs around 2001 or 2002. The industry didn't realize it til 2010. Honestly I would say there should be NO value for the product all the value music holds is in it being a service. It was a service for Hundreds of years. It was a product for a few decades. And now its back to the beginning a service. You can't download a service yet...
 
Simple answer = a person can download an album, mount it on a disc or transfer it to a storage device, even print a cover with a case and still have plenty of change from one English pound = the industry itself is partly to blame for it's own demise, those early boom years of selling a cheap commodity at such overpriced retail mark ups essentially became a crazy game of Russian roulette; less chambers as other technologies where developed and advanced and which exposed what was essentially a scam in itself. Maybe we should be asking the question - what was the reason behind the music industry over achieving in it's earlier years?;)
 
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as other technologies where developed and advanced and which exposed what was essentially a scam in itself. Maybe we should be asking the question - what was the reason behind the music industry over achieving in it's earlier years?

I disagree and I believe it is the difference between 'taking something for granted' and determining its value. Being able to get something for free does not determine/impact/decide/affect its WORTH. All that does is allow you to ignore its value. This could be along post comparing 'back in day' [horse and buggy, if you want to go back that far...] to now and how music permeates every aspect of our lives - and truly how little control over the amount and quality of music you hear every day. You THINK you have total control because you are free to ADD MORE after the set amount. It's the concept of saying "You are FREE to WORK over-time".

And lastly I find it absurd that a place full of people spending countless hours making music are simple enough to fall for the brain-washing to believe music has no value.
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