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    Bun B vs Byron Crawford

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    Fun read, from Byron's blog:

    Southerners quit yer bitchin’

    New rule: Southern rap fans are no longer allowed to pretend as if they’re being discriminated against.
    Posted In: Columnists, Bol's Saturday Night Workout by Byron Crawford

    Pseudo intelligent music critics, who make their living patronizing certain elements in the black community, like to claim that backpackers are the most annoying group of fans in hip-hop. I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the true most annoying group of fans in hip-hop (other than, of course, women) are fans of southern hip-hop.

    The knock against backpackers seems to be that they’re boring and negative. They spend too much time telling you what they’re against rather than actually telling you what they’re for. Many of them even have the sheer balls to suggest hip-hop is not nearly as good as it used to be.

    For business purposes, hip-hop can’t appear any better or worse during any given year, at least until the TIs find something to replace it. Reggaeton, perhaps?

    Southern rap fans, meanwhile, make it a point to draw no distinction between the best and the worst their particular segment of the hip-hop community has to offer. They may not actually pretend to like “Laffy Taffy,” but they’ll be quick to call your ass a bigot if you suggest that it’s arguably history’s greatest abortion in musical form.

    And they all rallied around Pimp C as if he was Leonard Peltier or somebody, but come to find out he can hardly rap. Is everybody aware that he was locked up for pulling out a gun on a woman in a mall? Personally, I don’t find his release fair to all the rest of us men who have resisted the urge to commit an act of violence against a woman.

    As far as I’m concerned, his ass should go back to jail. Where’s the hip-hop feminism community when you need them? Wait, does this constitute snitching, or would it have to be your sister or something? I generally advocate staying out of another couple’s business, even if it is in a public place such as a mall.

    I can understand that this is the first time their communities have produced anything the critical establishment even pretended to like since the heyday of Blind Melon and Better than Ezra (UGK fans, do your homework), but I’m not going to sit here and pretend to like something I don’t really like, especially if I have no financial stake in the matter.

    The truth of the matter is that the southern rap of today, both in its style of rappin’ and especially its beats, bears very little relation to the hip-hop most of us grew up listening to. In that sense, it’s not unlike disco was to rock music in the late ’70s. Interestingly enough, disco artists also tried to cry racism when rock fans burned disco albums on the field at Chicago’s Comiskey Park.

    In 2006, southern rap is the style of rap music that the tall Israelis who run the music industry have decided to promote, to the detriment of all other styles of rap music. Therefore, not unlike the Mexicans who think they’re retaking America’s Southwest, fans of southern rap no longer have any legitimate claim that they’re being discriminated against.

    And here's what Bun B said

    Bun B Says:
    April 4th, 2006 at 12:35 pm

    Who the **** are you to sit behind you safe little cubicle and criticize who we are and what we do? For more than 20 years. Southern Artists and fans have faithfully supported any and all hip hop that was offered. We accepetced everyone on their own merits, gave evryone a fair listen, and then spoke. In light of you comments and views, it occured to me that you haven’t given near as much open mindedness to our music as we have to yours. The reasons I say yours is that it doensn’t what type of music came out, we supported it, so we in no doubt supported whatever the **** you listen to. To think that all we know is what we do, or that we may know nothing at all is preposterous. If you’re a paying member of Soundscan, you can see that ALL MUSIC SELLS IN THE SOUTH! 5 percenter? Bought it. Backpackers? Bought it. Black power, Wu-Tang, horrorcore, need I say more? Meanwhile, after 25 years of unconditionally holdin down all forms of rap/hiphop music, as soon as we even try to join a club we bought and help build the clubhouse for, they wanna deny us access. Well guess what you Elks lodge habitatin, Masters in Augusta wanna-be, finger-pointin behind the bushes, throwin a rock and runnin ass nigga, I just thought I’d tell you to take whatever preconcieved notions you have built up in your air and watertight cranium AND STICK IT IN YO PUSSY! I guarentee you the TRUE FANS AND MAKERS OF HIP HOP JUST MIGHT DIFFER WITH YOU! I know this because I am friends with Cool Herc, Grandmaster Caz, Melle Mel, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and other extremely well known originators and creators of this artform. The problem now is the act of causing division and dissention amongst the fans by people whom are not in the know. You see, YOU may not like Laffy Taffy or DFB or whoever, and you know what, that’s your GOD-given right. Hate all you want on the South, Southern rappers, or just Pimp C, since you brought him up. IT STILL WONT HELP WHOEVER YOU LIKE SELL ****! Talib Kweli: close friend of UGK. De La Soul: close friends of UGK. Kanye West, Common, Dead Prez, close firends of UGK. Jam Master Jay, 2 Pac, Biggie Smalls: ALL ****ING FANS OF UGK, and I dont say this from second hand conversation. These people told me this from their own mouths, yet you would have people believe otherwise. They could learn to be openminded about the music the listened and the regions the music was popular in, so it should come at no surprise these people went further thatn the average artists. Whatever alterior motive you may have is trying to bring down the Southern rise, it won’t work. God kills hate with love. Oh yeah, by the way, as far as your comments on my brother and his reason for incarceration, he pulled a gun on a group of people thrreatening him in a mall. Only the girl went back and told the police, that’s why it seems as if it was between only him and the girl. The problem is, misinformed people give misinformation and cause misfortune to the learing. I hate to call this the blind leading the blind, because by the look of your commment posts, they know what’s up. So instead of just going to New York, screaming and ranting in White Nigga’s office, I came to see you on your turf, because I’m no coward. I’m willing to come in your yard: care to come in mine? Right a rhyme, let;s see what you have the hip-hop community musically. Oh and make sure it’s Grammy-nominated when you do it, because mine was. And while you’re at it ask Nas, Jay-Z, Papoose, Camron,, Russell Simmons, 50 Cent, Fat Joe, Chino XL, Self Scientific, Cyrpess ill, Snoop Dogg, Ludacris or anybody else in this industry you like if Pimp C is wack. I bet they bark on you louder than I want to. God forbid you’re in the wrong place and the wrong time like Pimp and have to spend 4 years of your life behind bars. You’re a black man, so **** how educated and well read you are. You’ll ride just like Pimp, and you’ll be sorry about it, just like Pimp. The only difference: nobody’s gonna wear a ****in t-shirt with yo face on it. Leave the South alone, becausse we’re just tryin to eat. Quit bloggin and write a book if you got more goin on besides gossip and shootin slugs. Because after blogging has come and gone, and XXL is no longer on stands or online(which I would hate to see), UGK and our musical legacy will survive. Will your triflin rants sustain?
    Last edited by puffedoutproductions; 04-06-2006 at 12:01 PM.
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    Did you check Byron's response to Bun? He made some good points and it was pretty funny aswell.

    Bun B quit yer bitchin'

    No one cares that you know De La Soul.

    Posted In: Columnists, Bol's Saturday Night Workout by Byron Crawford

    “Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy **** with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I’ll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the ****ing trigger ’til it goes ‘click.’” - Jesus

    So the other day I created a post in which I attempted to prove that southern rap fans, and not backpackers, are the most annoying fans in all of hip-hop. I figured a few - maybe 15 or 40 - of these assholes would show up in the comments section with their retarded, misguided, emotional outbursts (filled with ridonkulous mispellings, ALL CAPS, and what have you) thus proving my point. Never would I have guessed that over 100 of these d-bags and counting, including the biggest southern rap stan of them all, Bun B, would all respond within the space of 2 days. Ah, the Internet.

    In fact, when I heard Bun B had responded to the post, I hoped he had actually read it and would respond to some of the points I made in it. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Bun B did nothing of the sort. Instead he let loose with the kind of comment that begins, “You sit in your ****ing cubicle all day…” It could very well be the case that Bun B doesn’t know how to read, and that one of his hoes read it for him (while Pimp C pointed a gun at her, natch) and then typed up his response. Does that seem too unlikely a scenario? How else to account for the fact that Bun B is accusing me of all kinds of weird **** that doesn’t have **** to do with ****?

    First of all, Bun B goes on a lengthy-ass rant about how people in the South have supported all kinds of music for over 20 years. Um, OK. First of all, as a matter of explanation, I’m not from New York. As mentioned in my post about why Reggaeton should be banned, I visited there briefly last year and didn’t particularly care for it. In general, I found it dirty and vastly overpopulated. I was born, raised, and currently reside in St. Louis, MO. As I’m sure you’re all aware, there are a few very popular (a lot more so than UGK) rappers from around here, but I don’t pretend to like them just because I come from the same town. What kind of gay-ass **** is that?

    Nor do I feel any obligation to “support” someone just because they rap. In general, I don’t encourage anyone to buy anything they don’t really need, but then I’m gully like that. As the President would say, you speak of hip-hop as if it’s some sort of entitlement program. On the rare occasion that I do buy a CD, I buy it because I want to listen to it. I could give a **** if the artist makes $5 or $.05 from it. Am I supposed to be impressed by the fact that people in your region spend more money on rap CDs than people in any other region? Could it be that people in Texas have lower standards of quality in music than people in other parts of the country? That would certainly explain the popularity of “turning lane rap,” or whatever it is you call it.

    I will say I was rather impressed by his lengthy list of important friends in the rap industry. Indeed, I’m impressed in general by people - adults - who attempt to win arguments by name dropping. Since we’re on the topic, I suppose I should mention that I went to high school with a guy who once met Lisa Loeb. And my old roommate occasionally caddies for Bob Costas. Ever heard of that fruity major label anarchist band the Living Things? You guessed it, homo, I went to high school with at least one, if not all of them. And don’t even get me started about the guy who wrote Hello, My Name Is Scott. Or the time I met one of the guys from Hoop Dreams at the Missouri Black Expo. I could go on, but I think you’re beginning to see my point.

    And you say I only hear what I want to.

    But the part that really got me is when Bun B suggests I might be in the wrong place at the wrong time and end up in a situation similar to his life partner Pimp C. Um, since when is pulling a gun out on a woman in a mall a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Come on, bro. Did he mean to suggest that if they weren’t at a mall, but rather, say a showing of ATL, it would’ve been the right time to do something like that? The truth of the matter is that anyone who would flash a piece out in front of a mother****ing Orange Julius is a ****ing idiot. If anything, Bun B should be worried about himself being out somewhere with that *******.

    Finally, if Bun B is such a badass (no one doubts that Pimp C is - he’ll pull a gun out on you), why is he going on the Internet typing long-ass paragraphs about people that hardly said **** about him? If you read my post carefully (slowly, if necessary), you’ll notice that at no point in it did I suggest that all or even most southern hip-hop is bad. Meanwhile, Curtis “Interscope” Jackson is on the record as saying just that. Funny, I don’t see Bun B going on the Internet (or anywhere else, for that matter) and telling him to shove anything in his pussy. Hmm, I wonder why that is… Could it be that Jimmy “Double Fantasy” Iovine doesn’t allow Bun B to say **** about 50 Cent?

    People, there’s a reason why Bun B is the only rapper who can’t even manage to sell 500,000 CDs, and yet and still manages to grace the cover of magazines like The Source and XXL seemingly every other month; and it ain’t got **** to do with the fact that he thinks he’s friends with “Cool Herc” (sic). Bun B is a tool of the industry and a sorry old man who only ever had a hit when he did a song with Jay-Z, who will do a song with anyone. The Soundscan numbers don’t lie, fags. UGK wasn’t selling **** back before southern rap was popular, and they still aren’t selling **** now that it’s the hottest thing out.

    Your revolution is over. The bums lost.

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    Haha no i didnt catch the comeback, but it was good...good look hov

    Byron's writing style reminds me of someone on this board
    Last edited by puffedoutproductions; 04-06-2006 at 12:36 PM.
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    That last comeback paragraph was brutal. Byron Crawford should know that fans are calls fans for a reason. Some fanatic might run up on him if he's not careful and Bun B won't have anything to do with it.

    I just skimmed it but I'm going to read it all.

    If you don't like Southern music... you don't have to listen to it.

    Gospel people stopped complaining about Kirk Franklin after they realized that it was pointless because their rants didn't matter.

    That music is not going anywhere as long as there's a nightclub or stripclub open....
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    Originally posted by biggrome

    Gospel people stopped complaining about Kirk Franklin after they realized that it was pointless because their rants didn't matter.

    That music is not going anywhere as long as there's a nightclub or stripclub open....
    Kirk Franklin in the shake joint? wooooooooord Shake it for jesus, hoes!
    "Everybody stay fly, get money, kill, and f*ck b*tches"

    -Classic lyricism from persecuted rapper Allen Iverson. Hip Hop at its finest. Respect us!

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    yea the southerners give lots of love to rap so you don't want to diss them

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    Originally posted by bobsmitt
    yea the southerners give lots of love to rap so you don't want to diss them
    lol you sarcastic right?
    "Everybody stay fly, get money, kill, and f*ck b*tches"

    -Classic lyricism from persecuted rapper Allen Iverson. Hip Hop at its finest. Respect us!

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    im sorry to ask, but who is byron crawford anyways?

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    Originally posted by xtrordinare
    im sorry to ask, but who is byron crawford anyways?
    A guy who posts how much he hates other people on the internet.

    This is hilarious:

    BRING ME DOWN

    I was wondering which one of these songs would be about me. Why did it have to be the one featuring Brandy though? Honestly, they should teach a class about Brandy at the Harvard Business School. Perhaps no female singer ever looked more like a space alien, and yet she keeps managing to pop up year after year
    http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/08...west_late.html

    LMAO, dude is actually serious about the bolded part. He said that the first verse of Diamonds is about him too.

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    I think people take his material too seriously. I don't doubt that he feels that way, but he probably exaggerates a lot of it for comedy.

    Just like this guy. You should check his site out if you haven't already, it's hilarious.
    http://maddox.xmission.com/

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