Big K.R.I.T. Doubts Sampling’s Future In Hip Hop

[Xabiton]

Sampling ain't even now, lol. Niggaz is late as hell.

... samplers, sign up for University of Phoenix.

It's a wrap.

Jake One disagrees and is apparently doing his thing with sampled beats

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if youre an actual piano player, theres money in being a "keyboard producer"

labels pay you to replay samples now more than ever, ive been contacted by a bunch of camps to do that for their producers
also touring still brings in millions of dollars in revenue, being skilled enough to be a touring musician has its pros.. lots of cons as well but it still has its pros
plus you can always teach bullshit ass lessons as well, i made a killing in money off teaching piano lessons to little kids and old people. 25-30 bucks an hour, straight cash, you do 16 of those in a weekend and make you a cool 500 bucks by monday.

theres no money in being a producer, traditionally. Ive been said it, people said i was lying. THeres money in music, just not how we know it. Its a beautiful thing in my opinion, but then again i'm a classically trained pianist with a college degree from a prestigious school. So i'm aware of a lot of the options and we study a lot of the patterns of the music industry and how the different business models

you may have to do some things you didnt think you were doing before.. but all you have to do is find the companies that arent losing money and figure out how to get them to utilize your music. It's all about having an insane network.

and just working. It's not gonna get easier, you gotta be 3 steps ahead of what everybody else is doing. That whole "what is Johnny Juliano doing to sell lots of beats" way of thinking is retarded. You'll never sell more beats on soundclick than Johnny or SSO or Vybe. Never. Even if they laid out the blueprint for you to do it, you still wouldnt. It's life.

but the sooner you get off the internet, and go out in to the real world, meet with people, talk with people outside of genre and outside of your field. You realize that people really do appreciate music. You dont think Nike & them big boy companies appreciate music? I mean where would apple's advertising be without songs? You land one of those gigs and youre good for at least 2-3 years.

moral of the story is. Get outside, breathe fresh air, and study some young billionaires (who didnt inherit all their bread) in other fields of entertainment/fashion production and you'll see different concepts that you can apply to your music career.

And this had me ready to learn guitar and bass. You just gotta do something nobody else is doing I assume and then talk to people.

 

[901_Rice_Street]

People complain about sampling.............who sample...........and can't even put a construction kit together and chop it up like they would do somebody's record. smh. Can't even make a bassline for someone else to recreate with a real bass. smh. Makes no sense for someone to have an orgasm over a record with a solo rhodes sample and chop it up......then give the person you sampled credit and put money in their pocket "unless you were trying to look out for that person and show them love". It makes no sense to sample just the bassline of a record when you can recreate that same bass and loop it like you were going to do anyway. It makes no sense in 2012 with all of these services online where people will play your robotic brasses that you want to sound real. You complain about sampling......because of the money......the answer..... create music worth sampling. It's not that hard. That riff you want so bad ain't nothing but the real instrument recorded with other elements......soooooooo......learn how those other elements work. You got the tools. The tools are not a problem. Royalty free loops can be found for free.

LAZY!!!! GREEDY!!!!! Cheap!!!! Dudes got money and still lazy.....greedy....cheap!!!! Records are like ramen noodles of music. You do what you got to do with what you got. But damn man.......it feels worse for someone to use all of those gigs of samples that come with their product they have bought. "What's this? Oh...another sample disc......don't need that shit.....I need my new midi controller....so I can chop up this song this guy posted on FP".

Then you have the nerve to complain about people who use arps and put drums over them. smh.

WHAT DO YOU WANT? "I want people to like my beats".

Man.....I got like 200 gigs of royalty free shit but I'm too lazy to load them into a sampler. All kinds of riffs. Riffs for days. I need me an old 70's motown oohs and ahhs royalty free sample pack........just for me though. Don't want vocal stuff that everyone has access to.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

if youre an actual piano player, theres money in being a "keyboard producer"

labels pay you to replay samples now more than ever, ive been contacted by a bunch of camps to do that for their producers
also touring still brings in millions of dollars in revenue, being skilled enough to be a touring musician has its pros.. lots of cons as well but it still has its pros
plus you can always teach bullshit ass lessons as well, i made a killing in money off teaching piano lessons to little kids and old people. 25-30 bucks an hour, straight cash, you do 16 of those in a weekend and make you a cool 500 bucks by monday.

theres no money in being a producer, traditionally. Ive been said it, people said i was lying. THeres money in music, just not how we know it. Its a beautiful thing in my opinion, but then again i'm a classically trained pianist with a college degree from a prestigious school. So i'm aware of a lot of the options and we study a lot of the patterns of the music industry and how the different business models

you may have to do some things you didnt think you were doing before.. but all you have to do is find the companies that arent losing money and figure out how to get them to utilize your music. It's all about having an insane network.

and just working. It's not gonna get easier, you gotta be 3 steps ahead of what everybody else is doing. That whole "what is Johnny Juliano doing to sell lots of beats" way of thinking is retarded. You'll never sell more beats on soundclick than Johnny or SSO or Vybe. Never. Even if they laid out the blueprint for you to do it, you still wouldnt. It's life.

but the sooner you get off the internet, and go out in to the real world, meet with people, talk with people outside of genre and outside of your field. You realize that people really do appreciate music. You dont think Nike & them big boy companies appreciate music? I mean where would apple's advertising be without songs? You land one of those gigs and youre good for at least 2-3 years.

moral of the story is. Get outside, breathe fresh air, and study some young billionaires (who didnt inherit all their bread) in other fields of entertainment/fashion production and you'll see different concepts that you can apply to your music career.

When I said "keyboard producer" I was referring to people who make sample free "beats" using a keyboard or software and convince themselves they're doing more than someone using an MPC or software to make sampled beats.

But I do agree with you here. If you are a performance musician, you can make real money at venues. Advertisers still pay $15-25k for 2 minute music compositions, I bet Lex doesn't see that for 1 beat on a Rick Ross album.

But even the guys paid to play on someone else's tracks aren't getting money like they once did because that money still comes from the same labels cutting corners on everything else.

 

[as20gp]

yessir, for sure the standard rate for musicians has dropped cause everybody has cut cost, luckily being a session musician has a Union though , so the money is still decent

 

[Xabiton]

Absolutely. "Keyboard based" producers who don't sample and make beats from scratch now come a dime a dozen. So therefore, before you ever make it into a bracet of establishment where you can stand to make real money, you get replaced by another kid with a midi controller and Fl who can make your same sound. So why would they pay anyone what they're worth before they just go find the next guy to undercut you.

No more $100k a beat and rights because you created the track from scratch. As soon as you're able to demand that, you get replaced by another with the same sound. In 1999 the game was about being smart enough to demand everything you have the right to. In 2012 the game is about being smart enough to waive everything so you can keep getting work.

So as a from scratch keyboardist in 2012, even after a few placements on records, once you bend over for a paycheck, you aren't getting what Just blaze was making as an entry level sampler a decade ago. You'll never make it to a status where you're positioned to ask for $100k a track like storch once could along with a good split and rights because you wrote the entire composition of a song. Before that happens, they'll call in another kid to jack your style and start him back where you started, lol.

No one samples anymore. Time for us to stop convincing ourselves every kid in america doesn't have access and enough talent to make most of the tracks found on 2chainz new album. So what would they pay extra for? Quality doesn't sell anymore than garbage these days. There's no incentive to persue a "better quality'.

They just want the cheapest most effective job done so they can cash in more in the end.

Heard the mix on Slaughterhouse's new album? That's Eminem's camp. They can't even pay for real engineering anymore. I coulda done a better job mixing an album that came out of shady/aftermath? Who'd they get to do that? Someone qualified who was so underpaid he didn't care...or someone for a hook up price?

Either way, music game all around. Same reason you see a new artists everyday, but vets are rapidly disappearing. Why pay nelly/storch/maserati/whoever what he feels he deserves when you can put out a new guy who's too dumb to know he's being raped...when he finds out...drop him and put out another new guy.

Sampling is the small part of the equasion. The fact that KRIT has already figured out skipping that step keeps more money in his pocket let's me know he's watching the money in his pocket. That let's me know how close to an end to his career he already is. They'll find another KRIT when he starts wanting his proper cut.

I hate how true this is. That is why in 2013 the best way to go is to be your own artist and producer. Kanye was way before his time with that one. Sure others did it before Kanye but not at the level of quality Kanye did it at.

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People complain about sampling.............who sample...........and can't even put a construction kit together and chop it up like they would do somebody's record. smh. Can't even make a bassline for someone else to recreate with a real bass. smh. Makes no sense for someone to have an orgasm over a record with a solo rhodes sample and chop it up......then give the person you sampled credit and put money in their pocket "unless you were trying to look out for that person and show them love". It makes no sense to sample just the bassline of a record when you can recreate that same bass and loop it like you were going to do anyway. It makes no sense in 2012 with all of these services online where people will play your robotic brasses that you want to sound real. You complain about sampling......because of the money......the answer..... create music worth sampling. It's not that hard. That riff you want so bad ain't nothing but the real instrument recorded with other elements......soooooooo......learn how those other elements work. You got the tools. The tools are not a problem. Royalty free loops can be found for free.

LAZY!!!! GREEDY!!!!! Cheap!!!! Dudes got money and still lazy.....greedy....cheap!!!! Records are like ramen noodles of music. You do what you got to do with what you got. But damn man.......it feels worse for someone to use all of those gigs of samples that come with their product they have bought. "What's this? Oh...another sample disc......don't need that shit.....I need my new midi controller....so I can chop up this song this guy posted on FP".

Then you have the nerve to complain about people who use arps and put drums over them. smh.

WHAT DO YOU WANT? "I want people to like my beats".

Man.....I got like 200 gigs of royalty free shit but I'm too lazy to load them into a sampler. All kinds of riffs. Riffs for days. I need me an old 70's motown oohs and ahhs royalty free sample pack........just for me though. Don't want vocal stuff that everyone has access to.

man I wish I could find some packs with those ooos and ahhhs that actually sound good. I may never sample again lol. Vsts have really come a long way