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    How can we make FP a "Better Place"?

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    So I've been deliberating whether or not to create this thread for a while...

    I've been a member of this forum since May of this year and I have appreciated all the benefits of an online community of similar interests. I see great value in this hub, the moderators who maintain it and the members who contribute.

    On a more recent level I've noticed a few posts on here about how great this site USED to be, or how much better it WAS.

    A lot of younger people might not understand that concept. You're thinking this site seems pretty good right now. However, we live an age where we want, actually no, demand instant everything. I would imagine this is why you will often see more "Guests" than "members" navigating these forums.

    These younger people see no value in registering and getting involved in the community. Society constantly (and increasingly) promotes individualism over a team effort, or a community effort. The information age gives people a "Do It Yourself" mentality. The idea of needing other's is forgotten. For these younger people this place is like a free pass to a library where you don't have to return the book.

    So you find kids only register to ask an "urgent" question and then they're gone again. They're gone until they have another urgent question. They don't give anything back, they don't get inspired.

    You're probably wondering why I'm on such a rant but the point is this. The world is changing. The way in which people behave is changing. Should FutureProducers not "change" as well?

    All you guys talking about how "great" this place USED to be will probably admit nothing has CHANGED on this forum since those "great" times. At least very little anyway, right? Now I don't mean the attitude of members hasn't changed, but I mean the layout, the levels of engagement etc.

    How can a community remain great, functioning, friendly, welcoming, inspiring, self-serving in a more and more digital age unless it adapts to deal with that?

    TL;DR VERSION:

    Thus, my question to you guys is, what would you like changed on here? What differences do you guys think would result in the kind of community FP used to boast? I'm pretty sure there are some pretty practical steps that could be taken to adapt this place to the changing environment. I imagine there are some changes that would demand more administrative powers from the owners of the site, but at least they might see this and take note. So get brainstorming!
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    I think what we have to do is study how it used to be, sort of see where thing went right and where things went wrong.

    Get the OG's in this thread and break it down. Forumology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DjPolair View Post
    I think what we have to do is study how it used to be, sort of see where thing went right and where things went wrong.

    Get the OG's in this thread and break it down. Forumology.

    Agreed but the problem is nobody looks in the "Make A Better Place" section. But, you're the boss!
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    structures are inherently static due to seo considerations

    but the goal posts around seo have changed a few times (with the most recent moving away from the older models of seo towards a more strict content and contextual basis rather than keyword adaptations and adoptions) since this particular argument was rolled out, so now may be a good time to consider radical or not so radical but practical changes

    We have made a start already by reorganising some of the sticky threads in recording and legal reducing them from more than 10 to 4 or 5 in each forum area

    the other forums are set to receive a similar reworking on their sticky threads, as well as some forums to actually receive some stickies

    it takes time to do these things as with anything - moving too fast and we can stuff things up; moving too slow and we lose the opportunity.

    tell us what needs to be done - I can't promise anything but I can listen and contribute to the discussion

    I'll link some older public discussion threads on this subject as well to see if some old ideas are ready to fly now

    I'm letting admins and other mods who may not have seen this know that there is grass roots discussion on this score happening; carpe diem

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    Agreed but the problem is nobody looks in the "Make A Better Place" section. But, you're the boss!
    I moved it to make a better place and left a redirect in rnb/hiphop/rap - this site is about more than just urban music (for want of a better nomenclature)

    see the rest of my comments to understand how we can make this work - it is almost the weekend and the drunken trolls will be out (just saying is all , some readily admit they troll hard when drunk and for the most part as long as it stays in the breakroom areas, we let it go) as well as the serious folks who want to see improvement

    What won't happen is a loosening of moderation policy - gearslutz (the most often cited alternate destination by those who get butt hurt about being moderated) according to several independent and local opinions does not tolerate 1% of what we tolerate here at fp, so, if anything, we should probably tighten up moderation policy, but that won't happen either
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    I have a dream. That one day a hundred thousand people will frequent FP. I have a dream. that WSHH will look to us with jealous eyes..

    We have to lead by example. And we have to do some organizing. We shall encourage each other to be honest. If everybody spoke honestly and openly this community would become more vibrant. We should organize weekly threads where we discuss a certain subject.

    We need to be less quick to ban trouble makers. Some of the longest threads have came from those.

    There shall be some commitment. Like a family that eats dinner together every night.

    There shall be some common goals, projects we can work on as a community.

    Often when there is nothing to aspire to, you get bored. And if we're bored as a community, the community will be boring.

    I guess, there shall be purpose.

    This forum lacks a big purpose.
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    • When was the last battle held?
    • last mix-off went nowhere - no one entered so it was just erased from the memory (it was mix-off 4)
    • the last master-off also failed because the managing member disappeared
    • an fp sanctioned mixtape would be cool
      • but who decides what makes the cut and what doesn't ?
      • need to pick folks who have standing and respect (not necessarily mods, but that would be the first pool to consider drawing from) to be the committee deciding what makes it and what doesn't
      • all samples will require clearance (can't see audiofanzine letting it be otherwise) before being submitted for consideration
      • as with any large project, timelines are likely to be months rather than weeks
      • so maybe a quarterly release or biannual release (means every six months)
    • An fp sanctioned podcast series done on a monthly basis
      • rotating hosts selected from a pool of hopefuls
      • some support in preparing the podcast may be provided from a more experienced member (or at least someone who has done a few podcasts previously)
      • maximum of 3 minutes excerpt for each track (allows up to 20 tracks for a 60 minute podacst)
      • 1 week call for submission in its own dedicated forum
      • 2 weeks to produce
      • released last week of each month
      • cycle the process
      • might need audiofanzine to buy a pro account at soundcloud to host these
    • the troublemakers have in the main been banned for things they wrote in private messages to mods and admins or other people, not for their public postings
      • you do not really know what happens before someone is banned
      • so accept that we ban as a step of last resort, not first (unless you are an unrepenting/unrelenting spammer or troll)
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    Older threads discussing improvements and additions

    What about an events section

    better forums groups and sections
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    This thread won't go anywhere If we don't make other regs participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DjPolair View Post
    This thread won't go anywhere If we don't make other regs participate.
    I've got to agree with Polair.

    People just don't look in this section of the forum as much as the others (whether there is a transfer link or not)! I understand you're just doing your job, bandcoach.

    Good suggestions so far. Battles still have value, you just need more of an incentive than "pride" to catch the eye of these kids...
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    I think we need to settle this question here..

    What do we want FP to be like. What would it look like If it were at its best. And when we got a general agreement which can be summarized in a couple sentences we can work with that and start making efforts to go into that direction.

    So guys from way back gotta come in here and participate. I wasn't around when this place was in its prime.
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