Considering the Korg OASYS ... in depth

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dansgold

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So many things need to be said on this topic ... and so little time.

The OASYS is an interesting concept in a keyboard, to be sure. It has to be said right away that - as a simple point of fact - that what you are buying IS a PC + customized Operating System + interfaces + Keyboard + high-quality audio interface.

So, in theory and principle, you don't have any technology which is different from PC + VSTs + Keyboard Controller + Audio Interface. Please don't argue this point, as it's demonstrable by simple observation.

The high price point immediately creates two camps of individuals:

1) Those who CAN afford it, buy it [for whatever reasons seem good to them], and have a vested interest in defending that purchase decision.
2) Those who CAN'T afford it, and therefore feel a need to defend the notion that they really don't need it or want it.

Those aren't the only categories, of course. But they do form a LARGE percentage of the people weighing in with opinions about the OASYS.

I am in a "camp" which says "I CAN afford it, and if it represents a good value compared to other options, I WILL buy it." What constitutes a "good value" requires weighing all of the advantages and disadvantages of the OASYS against similar technologies with similar qualities & capabilities.

I'd like to set some points of comparison in order to keep this as much of an "apples to apples" comparision as is possible.

So, for that purpose, I am going to establish the following:

I'll use the 76-key model of the OASYS as the comparision. This is important as it minimizes the cost as much as possible in comparing against other, lower-cost options.

Other options must include a 76-key (or equivalent) controller as well, just to keep it fair.

Other options must include at least the minmal number of sound-engine choices available on the OASYS: ROMpler/Sampler, Virtual/Modeled Analog and Modeled B3/C3 ... or equivalent technologies.

"Sound quality" is certainly subjective. Even so, any technology or instrument used for comparison should be of "pro quality". It's therefore also unfair to claim that something has "inferior" sound quality if it is only a different type of technology, but still in wide use on stage or in studio. (A MiniMoog is noisier than just about ANY current synth, for instance, but is still considered the "king of synths" by many)

Other solutions must include a high quality audio inteface". This is to prevent unfair cost comparisions based upon inferior onboard PC audio or consumer-quality cards.

The OTHER part of any meaningful comparision must include some kind of "use case analysis". So, for these purposes, I'll deal with the following user types:

1) A "gigging" keyboard player, who plays either solo or as part of a band.
2) A "studio keyboardist/synthesist" primarily concerned with use in professional recording work. For this case, it is assumed that the musician is the owner of the OASYS, and ships/hauls the keyboard himself as required.
3) A "project studio owner", concerned mostly with recording work. The OASYS is semi-staionary, and does not usually leave the studio environment.

In my opinion, these scenarios form the most useful points of comparsion.

(more to come ...)
 
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[Seems not to be much interest. Perhaps this topic was talked to death while I was gone?]
 
I'm actually very interested, but since I haven't tried one i can't really say much ... the sampler has my attention since I'm looking for a sampler and I hate software BS
 
The Oasys is a tight board, but i am in the group who could cop it if wanted, but to me, i dont need it. I already run an EMU-1820 card and audio dock with a Korg Karma, EMU MP-7 commmand station, and recently purchased Roland Fantom X rack.

The Karma gives me the standard triton soundset and i have the grand piano expansion installed. Oasys has Karma 2 and i still havent really figured Karma 1 all the way out on the Karma Worstation:p The Karma also has the software to let you do generated effects on the computer and sync to the keyboard. All in all, the oasys is a very nice item. I have played it many times in the local GC here, but to me, i already have a lot of those sounds as well as the Karma features and i find myself using the command station/cubase for sequencing and recording audio. At a lower price point it might be more of a look into, but i would not knock anyone for buying it, if that is what floats their boat:cheers:
 
If i did a lot of work that involved having to pump out a large number of tracks in short amounts of time, i'd definitely be into getting one of these.

movie soundtrack work, television soundtrack, porn soundtracks, etc. etc etc.
 
^^ I agree... probably cant beat the workflow on the Oasys no matter how many indivudal synths you have to "add up"

Waiting on individual synths to power on, pc's to boot up, midi/audio routing/syncing...etc etc...

For music 'pumpin'... the Oasys would most likely be ideal...specially in the fast pace film/jingle composing world.
 
^^^ disagree......

I can afford to buy it, but to justify it, I'd have to get rid of everything I got right now.

I've got my PC, Sonar, AW4416, & FantomS.

ON the PC, I have B4, I'd like to buy a Hammond XK, or Roland VK, but right now, I don't have the room.

Now the Oasys can replace all that, but I really like the workflow I have right now, except that a project doesn't live in oneplace right now. Patches are in the Fantom, if I could get a utility that would save my tweaks in Sonar, that would be great. But as is, I have to save the patch in the Fantom, and call it from Sonar. The problem is if I decide to come back and redo the song a year from now, I'll have to try to remember what tweaks I made, if I overwrote the patch. The Oasys would solve this.

Everything then gets tracked to the AW4416, then for mixing, I love the faders, knobs and all on the AW. That's what I'd miss the most. During this stage, I set up an "effects rack" in Sonar, and use it in conjuction with the AW over mLan.

I've only sat down at an OASYS twice. Only on one of those occasions did I try to "dig in to it". Yes, you could probably do everything right there..... but personally, I don't think I want to.
 
the problem i'm see ing here is your tryin to compare an oasys with what????? nothing is really in comparison.. you wannna say the new alesis but really we all know it's not in that league... so really its what numerous options to all add up to an oasys are ya wanting to look at.... am i wrong?
 
The OASYS is in a league of its own. There is no other piece of equipment that has or does what it does. Its hot for sure, I've worked with one at a studio in Vegas, but I tell you though you could put together a computer based system with a Triton Studio as the controller and come up something with similar performance half the price. Its targeted at the studio owner trying to build a B- room for composing without having to break out all the big gear.

Good luck if you get it you will love it for sure ------
 
how is the alesis outclassed??

They both do Sample+Synthesis..... they both do VA.... they both have HD recorders.... they both have Physical modeling.....

the Korg has a B3 simulator in it....... which is an odd choice if you ask me.... where I think the Alesis has FM?? which is more in line with the Sound design aspect.

where does the Alesis fall short??
 
Hmmm..interesting points...lets not forget this puppy also has a 16 track hard disk recorder onboard (and from my understnding) the converters are pretty good.

Plus (Major plus) Supose you get a call saying we need you in Chicago tomorrow , with all your production ish...advantage Oasys.
It is rather costly,but ...it is a stand alone almost do everything portable project studio. Hmmm I remember when the synclavier first came out $70,000.00 and over!
 
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thunderkyss said:
What specs are used to tell you how good the converters are??
We had a 2 day discussion about this over at Gs forum a while back with Dan Phillips (Designer of the Oasys). The specs of the converters are (anolog 16 bit 48 k/ digi24 bit 48-96k)

I don't believe that tells you how good the converters are.
We went through a test run at Sam Ash, wth and wthout preamp.
It sounds good!!!

If you want to read the discussion...check it out
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=63821&page=4&highlight=korg+oasys
 
The reason I ask.. people are always saying better converters..... as far as I can tell, the only way you can tell, is by listening.

I've also been told, that there are only a handful of manufacturers....... so whether it's a Roland Vsynth, or a Soundblaster, it's quite possibly the same converter........ the only difference would then be circuit design, and how the driver is accessed.....

but...... I'll make a point to read that thread, and see what's what.
 
"The reason I ask.. people are always saying better converters..... as far as I can tell, the only way you can tell, is by listening."

Thats exactly right!! Thats why there are coverters such as (RADAR 2)
at 24 bit 48k that blow pro tools 96k out of the water (Subjective I know) but by listening to the different converters ....you can hear whats what, better mids tighter lows.

And Korg will not tell you who's converters they're using.
 
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too expensive... i cant see parting with 8 grand for a keyboard, when u dont need to spend that much. i bought a Fusion instead, and it gets alot of support. 8 grand can get me alot of other things for the studio, and NOT for the studio. "how much is that Corvette?"

da relic
 
slik da relic said:
too expensive... i cant see parting with 8 grand for a keyboard, when u dont need to spend that much. i bought a Fusion instead, and it gets alot of support. 8 grand can get me alot of other things for the studio, and NOT for the studio. "how much is that Corvette?"

da relic

Yep I hear you,,,,some can't see spending $4000 for a compressor, or $13,000 for a microphone....but that market is selling well....same as the Oasys...Gotta figure if you are making $10,000 a month....say composing film scores or production with the Oasys, then it actually pays for itself.

If you are not making money off of music production or writing then you are right. It would be hard to justify spending $8000 on an Oasys.
 
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