First, I got to say, I am glad to see this happening a congregation of yardies in one spot exchanging thoughts and ideas. But i would like to opportunity to read on everyones thoughts of the future of dancehall, and my questions are:
It seems as though our culture has expanded, but who benefits, does jamaica, who inspires, the artistes that creates,
what about the up and coming, it seems to me less energy is focused on finding that new bounty killa, or beenie man, even the next bob marley,
what about our history as jamaicans, our back in the day labberish round the car rim grill, chatting and so on.
Our culture grows, yes, but our country dies, while others benefit from our creativity as a nation, i recently read a post on this site about black chiney version whatever, i dont care,
but it is guys like these who abuse our artist and we dont realize it, songs that took hardwork to prepare and ready for the masses, and change them, though nothings wrong with the remixes, but what about the royalties, that is supposed to be paid, for each track featured, we praise these mixtapes, but dont realize that it hurts us, our music our future artiste in the end.
I dont wanna bring any negativity, nor rude comments, i am just looking through my window, 20 years from now and just wondering what will happen.
Bug Life, Out
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Last edited by Computer Bug; 09-08-2003 at 06:02 AM..
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Ye i understand what u saying..im still a likkle yout, but heres my opinion
We'll never find another Bob Marley... no one can ever make a chune that talk about so much, & has such positive vibez in it like he did.
finding the next bounty killer...vybz kartel seems to be on the same level.
I have more to say but i gotta find the right words, ill be back 
Ackee ah di David fi slew all goliath
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we didnt find bob...bob came to us...
as far as the next big artist...
the reason artist like bob stood out is because he had a purpose to his music (pollitics and unity) it wasent just about making good music to listen to or just make money.
Thats why Bob and Tupac is such a ledgends because people realize after they died that they wuz tryin to teach us dum m.f. something asides from giving us some nice music to smoke to.
Off topic thats why 50 floped (or will flop ie. not live up to the standard that everybody is setting for him) because when he came out he portrayed himself like he was about something but people now realize that he aint bout $#!T but baddin up JaRule.
As far as the dancehall game HIP "POP" execs and ceo's are looking on us like we the next marketing tool cuz thats all we do is make other HIP POP artist look good, give them a new vibe ("FLAVOR") and apeal to the masses HIP POP and dancehall.
Sit back and watch the way people move form a third person view youd be surprised what you see.
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This has crossed my mind a million times..Is dance hall exploding
...or
Is the new pop media "hip hop" acquiring a new marketing/money making tool.Proof
1)No "real" Dancehall artist has YET TO BUS.
2)Every single that really makes any money is HIP Hop Influenced.
My question is how is dancehall really benefiting from all this, yes we get exposure but we are also demeaning the art form.Just as hip hop did after 96'(ie E VS W) and the "jiggy era"
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"The wise general looks to the enemy for food.
One bushel of enemy food equals twenty bushel of mine" -Sun Tzu
I.E. To eat a mans food!
See i knew i wasn't the only one who was thinking these thoughts, and i hope i have reached a few people,
as jamaicans we must realize our culture, our heritage is rich, reggae is the creator and the inspirator for what is,
todays hip hop,
and it is full time a little recognition be administered, and that our artist's talent are being used to benefit a white collar industry that dont give a sh***t about the economic welfare of our nation, i see 112 using reggae, why do you think foxy's and no doubts album did so well, they're reggae influenced.
So I see the explosion of dancehall and the enterprise of Jamaicans but I cant see the recognition our small country deserves.
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the irony here is that with every US dollar that makes it to JA's dancehall scene, thats another reason for JA artists to sell the **** out and make wack garbage that appeals to mainstream US kids.
its already starting to happen folks.
its a very interesting paradox...
if JA artists appeal to the US dollar to get paid, their music will turn to TOTAL garbage overnight, this is self evident. garbage sells a whole lot more than quality dancehall over here.
if JA artists keep suffering under pressure, however, there will always be the sense of rage that cauterizes mediocrity.
if the US market has any lesson to teach, its that a full belly makes for bad art.
if there is a middle ground, i would say we are living it, but how long can it last?
i think if anything, the dancehall scene needs to avoid the US dollar like cancer and start appealing wholly to the european/asian market, where success comes at a radically less venomous spiritual price.
-ichi
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Catch the joke. The other day I was at a Pizza Hut in a suburb of Toronto. A white family was sitting down discussing what type of music they like, and the little kid jumped up and screamed Sean Paul! Personally I had to stand up to see who it was that screamed. I have nothing against white people taking in dancehall it just interesting to see the "avereage" Sean POP fan and the whole mentality of those perticular fanatics.
"The wise general looks to the enemy for food.
One bushel of enemy food equals twenty bushel of mine" -Sun Tzu
I.E. To eat a mans food!
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thats absolutely hilarious.
i feel i should point out that i have nothing against artists crossing over and going pop to make a buck, especially when there are so few bucks to make in ja..
but 4 years ago i could buy a stack of whatever 7"'s came out that week and almost NONE would contain the slightest hint of formulaic hiphop garbage (4 bar chorus, flacid r&b vibe, etc).
now its like, half the songs i pick up have timbo beats on them, with totally generic sounding dj's doing their best imitations of either buster rhymes or eminem.
that **** is basically JA losing its vibe. breaks my goddamned heart.
the introduction of a white middle class audience to dancehall is totally predictable, as the white middle class dollar has kept hiphop's corpse dancing for at least 10 years in the states.
i sincerely pray to whatever gods are listening that dancehall will find the strength to stop jocking what the american media considers hiphop giants and get back to plotting its own brilliant course through the unexplored forrests of sonic experimentalism that defined the vibe for me back in the mid nineties.
btw, i feel i should point out that as a white man, i have absolutely no interest in soft shoe'ing around the ruinous effects the american white middle class exerts on art forms its told by the media to embrace. its not about race, of course, its about social dynamics, thats all.
i just happen to love dancehall a little too much to quietly let it go the way of hiphop. there is just too much to lose there.
-ichi-san
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America always picks up a reggae artist for a year or 2 big up every track that artist ever did and then when the record companies can no longer milk money out of that person they drop the artist let a few months pass and pick up a new artist to replace them and people never think about that artist again.
they did it with
-shabba
-super cat
-Buju
-Beenie
and now they are doing it to sean paul
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excellent point...
but i have to say, super cat's success is a product of bobby kondors making him impossible to ignore.
correct me if im wrong, but didnt shabba come in on super cat's coat tails?
beenie man was another effort by the music biz to replace super cat once he stopped working with bobby kondors and started churning out garbage.
buju.. id argue buju's place on this list. for one thing, i consider him the most talented person on it by far.. but of course thats just taste. but more importantly, did he ever have a crossover mainstream hit? i dont recall one..
the reason why i think sean paul represents a new paradigm in the music industries effort to appropriate yet another culture is that this is the first artist to not only get paired up with US superstar rap artists on american soil, but also the first to enjoy US superstar support on *JA* soil as well.
its exactly that dynamic that gives me pause.. the US is exporting its culture to jamaica, and we all should dedicate some thought to why.
its not like theres money to be made down there.. which leads me, personally, to suspect that we are simply indoctrinating a new generation of JA artists to cater to the flamboyantly bad taste of the US main stream.
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i don't think that US is exporting its culture, i think it is luring some of theReggae artist into its mainstream music with the promise of money.
the artist will cross over and make poor songs that cater to the US market hoping to make bigger money. unfortunately with the record industry in the US, they crossover and then do a few songs with established yankee artist which do more good for the US singer than themselves.
When Sean sings with beyonce the song goes on her album (which she sees whooping $0.50 per $17 album sale) but, more importantly it gives her material to tour with (live performance is where the money is made) so now she goes on tour with her own "reggae song" cause the US though they will not openly accept most really reggae will openly accept any american artist poor attempt at dance hall. She goes on tour makes big money singing this song live with Sean Paul recordings so she makes the big money from the tour w/o him
granted he gains a little extra fame from his stint in the US but how much money will he really come across when all the new stuff he does is on someone elses album and the only songs they push from him is stuff that was released 2 years ago...
(its late and i just came back from a disappointing club so forgive the length and attacking undertone)
Last edited by kain101; 09-07-2003 at 01:26 AM..
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