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Hi,
I think that most of the dancehall release nowadays are disappoitning. They pretty much all sound the same. I'm tired of hearing those riddims over and over again with meaningless slack lyrics. I mean there seems to be no more creation in the music anymore as well as cultural attachment to the tradition of Jamaican Music. Maybe I will upset some people in this forum. Let me know what you guys think.
Q mastah
ps: Lee Perry and King Tubby forever!
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Originally posted by Q Mastah
Hi,
I think that most of the dancehall release nowadays are disappoitning. They pretty much all sound the same. I'm tired of hearing those riddims over and over again with meaningless slack lyrics. I mean there seems to be no more creation in the music anymore as well as cultural attachment to the tradition of Jamaican Music. Maybe I will upset some people in this forum. Let me know what you guys think.
Q mastah
ps: Lee Perry and King Tubby forever!
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I think a lot of the reason things are the way they are is because of the economy of jamaica right now. I don't think its a lack of creativity i think its more a case of giving the youth the entertainment that they want. its all about going to a session and having fun and forgetting how weak the dollar is and how much the government a tax you for the little that you get. Plus i feel that dancehall and roots are two different genres of music and can't be directly classified as one (jamaican music) thats like calling rap and r&b black people music and critiquing them as "black music" when really and truely the only constant link between them is the fact that the majority of the musician in the genre are black......same as "jamaican music"
rEQ....Keep It Blazing
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Respect to both posts!
I understand Q Mastahs concerns and Required Audios knowledge of undercurrents.
Musical and lyrical states are always a reflection of social undercurrents (trends). Required Audio hit it by identifying the current trend as a denial type
As a producer and artist and human being it is important to see where and who current trends are failing
Current musical and lyrical trends in many genres leave so much room for producers and artists with more relevant ideas.
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Hi,
Thanks to you guys for replying to my post. I really do agree with Required Audio's point that the evolution of the music reflects the aspiration of the public and more specifically, the youth. This crave for mass entertainment has always been at the root of any music qualified as "popular". This is even more true for Jamaican music where early Sound systems and Yard Parties were a way for the people to forget their poverty and actually enjoy themselves. The fact is that every music has two different indissociable aspects to it, a cultural side and a commercial side. What I think is unfortunate in Danchall right now is that It seems to me that the commercial aspect of it is taking over the cultural side resulting in a certain loss of identity of the music. As an example, I was reading a Sean Paul interview yesterday where he said that he tried to improve his accent because his jamican patois was a barrier to his succes in the United States.
As wonpeace mentioned, everyone should determine where "current trends" fail. As far as i'm concerned, I think it is important to identify the origin of musical undercurrents as well as understand it beyond its trendy side. This, of course without loosing sight of the main purpose which is having fun!
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roots and conscious reggae is still there and lively but its simply not what america wants to hear right now and unfortunately when it comes to the music industry, america is the dictator. Sean paul is no where near the spokesperson for dancehall, reggae or jamaica. Sean paul is a chiney jamaicain uptown bwoy who can chat patois. nothing more nothing less. The real heads no where the real music is.
I can honestly say that conscious riddims are dropping nearly as frequently as the dancehall riddims. ie the campo riddim just bust this week with luciano and some other heads on it.
You still have cats like sizzla, luciano, capleton, buju, anthony b, ras shiloh and even shabba dropping tunes on a regular basis. Your problem may lie in where you are looking for the music and who is dictating what music reaches your ear.
also keep in mind just because one man dj about high grade, session and girls while another man sing about oppresion and ghetto survival doesn't mean that one is more creative than another it just means two man have two different perspective on the same painting.
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rEQ....Keep It Blazing
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Originally posted by Required Audio
also keep in mind just because one man dj about high grade, session and girls while another man sing about oppresion and ghetto survival doesn't mean that one is more creative than another it just means two man have two different perspective on the same painting.
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definately!
Required Audio and Q Mastah: what are your relationships to dancehall? what would you like them to be?
vibes, love and thanks to you both for sharing top ideas and perspectives!
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I'm a born and raised west indian so the music is an irrevocable part of my culture. but i want to go from consumer to provider and i will.
Mi wan follow wha mi heart say whether its conscious or Bling bling.
Mi could all sing about my moms or chat bout gyal inna g string
Mi coulda producer or a dj, its all about the bass
Come in like matlock cause mi dehpon di case
and no man caant judge mi, me a mi own ras jury
is just another for of oppression to feed the lion fury.
True mi hair long but mi nah rock dreads
Mi nah rastaman but conscious ideals in mi head
right now mi a dj but mi have riddim pon di shelf
if uno intrested link me, i'll let you see for yourself.
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rEQ....Keep It Blazing
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Originally posted by Required Audio
roots and conscious reggae is still there and lively but its simply not what america wants to hear right now and unfortunately when it comes to the music industry, america is the dictator. Sean paul is no where near the spokesperson for dancehall, reggae or jamaica. Sean paul is a chiney jamaicain uptown bwoy who can chat patois. nothing more nothing less. The real heads no where the real music is.
I can honestly say that conscious riddims are dropping nearly as frequently as the dancehall riddims. ie the campo riddim just bust this week with luciano and some other heads on it.
You still have cats like sizzla, luciano, capleton, buju, anthony b, ras shiloh and even shabba dropping tunes on a regular basis. Your problem may lie in where you are looking for the music and who is dictating what music reaches your ear.
also keep in mind just because one man dj about high grade, session and girls while another man sing about oppresion and ghetto survival doesn't mean that one is more creative than another it just means two man have two different perspective on the same painting.
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In response to all of this:
Jamaican music has ALWAYS had slackness. I have mento records from the 50s that were, by the standards of that day, as slack as anything out today. Second, there has always been crappy reggae, as well as good reggae. You just don't hear the crap from back in the day cause no one plays it anymore. Third, the riddim thing dates from the 60s in Jamaican music and is perhaps the most integral part of the musical tradition. Fourth, as was pointed out, there is lots of conscious music and lots of "other" music today, just as there always has been. The popularity of the different styles with Jamaican music just rises and falls periodically. Capleton, Sizzla, Luciano, etc are not heard as much now in the dancehall (IMHO) because they have gotten a little stale, lyrically and compositionally. RIght now the upbeat riddims are running things, maybe in a year the rootsy riddims will return- it has always been like this and probably always will be as the music continues to re-invent itself and evolve (and yet stay the same in many ways).
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There are plenty of new conscious artists out.....Warrior King, VC, Prez. Brown, and of course the usual suspects.....anybody check Buju's or Sizzla's latest.....those are hot!
The problem isn't a lack of tracks....its that most Americans don't like repetition. You can't run rhythms, here......and thats half the fun of spinning dancehall.
Ain't nothing wrong with slackness....slackness doesn't necessarily equate with a lack of consciousness. Certain tracks are just too rude, and some are silly. That can be good....Remember the Joyride rhythm? Frisko Kid's rubbers track is a great, and its pretty damn slack, but in a harmless kind of way. ....I just played that tonight and people went off. I'd forgotten about it until someone asked for it....
Dancehall will never grab the masses the way a mindless 4/4 techno rhythm will.....its not fast enough or hard enough....its just the way it is......You have to mix in some house, jungle or hip hop sounds to get the people's attention.....
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i think slackness needs to be defined
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