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ske[t]ch ske[t]ch is offline
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.. the japanese have adopted dancehall with wide open arms

i find this phenomenon very intresting and would like to know about others opinions..

what do you think of this?..

do u think the culture is being disrespected by non-islanders throwing patois on the mic and fans not knowing the origins of what they listen to?

can we not compare this to elvis or eminem selling their respective genres to markets of their own descent?

or is this a positive thing adding to the culture?

after all japan represents a huge foreign market to DJ's...Artists

05-31-2003
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phishphan577 phishphan577 is offline
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it really goes both ways. i cant bear to see people rhyming in patois when they dont know what the **** it is or where it came from, but i guess it does contribute to the culture. bob marley did, after all, want all races and cultures to get along. so i guess it depends which way you look at it...

Back by popular demand...

05-31-2003
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wonpeace wonpeace is offline
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I love culture vulturing! it is usually about love, not disrespect

any person of different perspective has something of value
06-01-2003
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Vp Premier Vp Premier is offline
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I think before anyone makes a judgement you should take a look at how these people react to the music, how they live it and what respect they show towards its. I was first shocked when I heard about this 4 or 5 years ago. My first exposure to this was in watching a Mighty Crown vs. Kilmanjaro clash. I was amazed, these guts were authentic, no fakes at all, promoting reggae music more so than some other bands at the time. They ended up winning the world crown in 2000, I think. Beating some very popular sounds out. They have a quite impressive collection of dub plates and if they are any indication of the way Japanese look at reggae music then I am all for it.
06-01-2003
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wonpeace wonpeace is offline
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yah man! mighty crown is gigantic!
06-01-2003
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Required Audio Required Audio is offline
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yeah man mighty crown a no joke, i haven't personally had the opportunity to see them clash live but i've heard them and seen videos....the man dem hype. and its not just on the performance and music side that japanese are taking to dancehall but the current dancehall queen is straight out of japan. http://www.bashmentvibes.com/pro_junko.htm

and here is elephant man track "Chiney Ting" on the bad company riddim http://www.turntablelab.com/real2/la...chineyting.ram ****ing hilarious

i have the song where junko a talk about how she love jamaica and how jamaica man strong and have anaconda buddy and all sort of s****...funny funny funny. At the end of the day its all about entertainment.

rEQ....Keep It Blazing

06-02-2003
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gimmick100 gimmick100 is offline
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Hi people. I just found this thread and got interested in you guys' comments. I'm originally from japan and now studying In NYC. I'm also one of the japanese people who is really interested in Jamaica and respect your culture so much. Actually I love to reggae dance too ( I'm not good thought lol ) I just want you to remember one of the reasons why in japan Jamaica , reggae, and Jamaican culture are famous is that we respect your culture and people. And mostly we think they are so COOL. I understand that you guys wonder if we really understand your culture then doing jamaican music , dance or etc. However, I believe many people who are interested in Jamaican culture try to understand deep side too even we are located so far from Jamaica.

VIVA JAMAICA !

Hitomi Ishigaki
08-21-2003
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problemkind problemkind is offline
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I love culture vulturing! it is usually about love, not disrespect
i agree with this point.
i mean it's kind of like rap in other languages....they repect the culture, but they're adding their own perspective.

this thread is pretty interesting, for the last couple of years in germany there's been a growing dancehall/reggae influenced sound.

there's a cat named gentleman from cologne, and he does his thing in english/patois-kinda thing, he's white but he spent a lot of years in jamaica i think. and then there's the hip-hop/dancehall collective from berlin called seeed and some of the members lay their verses in german, and some in english. and then there are a bunch of cats in hamburg (jan delay, sam ragga band, silly walks movement, d-flame (kinda)) that make german dancehall. i think in hamburg it's because the city has strong ties to england, and englands got a lot of cats from the west indies. but the germans are kinda developing their own form, but it pays tribute to the originals. i even think some of the guys in some of the groups come from the caribbean, but i'm not sure.

(as you can probably tell, i don't really know reggae terminology --even though half of my family is from the west indies...i just stumbled on to this thread)
08-28-2003
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ichi ichi is offline
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What g'wan?



I grew up in the US listening to hiphop, started DJ'ing in the US around the early 90's, and got into dancehall in '93.

I have seen the influence of hiphop artists seriously cripple the vibe of the JA scene over the last couple of years. JA DJ's now monotone listless 4 bar chorus's every bit as tired and played out as what passes for hiphop in the US today.


see, in the US it works like this-

Dancehall = badass yardie == ultimate sociopathic gangster == hiphop legend == money.

The money in the US scene goes to whomever is the biggest baddie on wax. You *NEVER* heard about Jamaican dancehall in the US until the Jamaican gangs in NYC started getting into full blown wars over drug turf in the mid to late 80's.

As soon as the heaviest dudes on the corners wore dreads and had west indies accents, hiphop began to emulate them and use the yard mentality to augment its facile preoccupation with romanticizing the underdog.

See, if the Bader Meinhoff popped up tomorrow and started the mass liquidation of Germany's economic upper caste, rest assured that the chorus of next weeks Ja Rule cut would be sung in slurred, raspy teutonic, and would be blaring out of half the cars in middle America within days. Thats the physics of American pop culture ,for the time being at least.


Now, Japan's interest in dancehall is NOT rooted in the romanticising of sociopathic gangsters, it is based in a deep love of genius and creativity, and that, in a nutshell, is why Im moving to Japan come spring to rock every goddamned club that lets me rush the tables.

As long as there is suffering in Jamaica, the pressure will cook up wicked dancehall. It may take more effort to dig up, but as long as we all make an effort to support scenes like Japan's, I am positive we can provide JA dancehall the financial impetus required to keep exporting its undisputed genius to hot sweaty dancefloors around the planet, while providing immeasurable talents the opportunity for a better life without whoring themselves to the banal tastes of America's middle class.

See you all in Tokyo,
Ichi The DJ
09-02-2003
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wonpeace wonpeace is offline
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how does the money get from japan to artists? from my knowledge mosttimes its difficult for artists in JA to collect their royalties due to poor system - enforcement of rights
09-06-2003
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