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yo wassup fam
i was just reading up on the de la soul album "3 feet high and rising" from '89. i got introduced late to hip hop so i was not listening to hip hop at that time, **** dat, i was only 4 years old in '89. i do try to read up on old skool hip hop and try to get the albums as well (it's good to know one's history i think). anyway i noticed as i was reading about the album on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Feet_High_and_Rising that some songs have lots of samples. i'm not really sure but i think most old skool hip hop used a lot of samples on one song (i statnd to be corrected). when i make a beat now i only ever use one sample. i noticed that many producers nowadays, even the big league dudes, use only one sample per song. is this trend bcoz of sample clearance issues or are people just lazy to dig for samples? could there be another reason that i am not aware of?
i would especially like to hear the response from people who've been listening to hip hop since the early days and were involved somehow in the movement as either dj's, producers, mc's, etc. but i'm not excluding anyone else. please feel free to discuss.
peace
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950 posts, www.myspace.com/greezeone
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think, producing is much more accesible today with everyone having a pc and access to the internet, to be a producer you just have to have access to the equiptment and know how to use it, to be a good producer you have to have an inventive mind.
sometimes i use more than one sample, but if i do, i have to chop it up well so that it all flows properly.
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sample clearance and the fact that equipment has become much more accessible over the years, as greeze stated. back in the days, if you wanted more sounds, it mean actually going out and spending hundreds if not thousands on a new module. now you can simply download a refill and instantly have a bunch of new sounds at your disposal. so samplin was the easiest way to get new sounds back then. once people saw that hip hop was a viable source of income, they started crackin down on the sample clearance issue. thats maybe 2 of the reasons that people don't sample like they used to.
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i hear what u guys are saying. something else struck me. wouldn't people have naturally moved toward learning how to play more instruments if the sample clearance people were cracking down? it doesn't seem to be the case though. it really seems like software is taking over. but i doubt software will kill vinyl anytime soon. i mean i've been learning how to produce for about a year now and i havent bought a single vinyl (mainly bcoz i don't have the setup i want - no turntable - and there are not many diggin spots where i live). but i'm gonna start house digging (basically going door to door asking for vinyl, hopefully i get something)
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i know Posdunous put together "I Know" and used like 6 samples, but it sounds like it's one sample, like butter on toast opposed to layers in a wedding cake
http://www.soundclick.com/djkong
"If the the drums hit too hard it will take the mellowness vibe [out of] the whole track and make it stupid sounding. I know that may not make a lot of sense to today's producers aka fans with clout, but louder and harder isn't always the way to go." -Marol
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Originally Posted by magic stick
yo wassup fam
i was just reading up on the de la soul album "3 feet high and rising" from '89. i got introduced late to hip hop so i was not listening to hip hop at that time, **** dat, i was only 4 years old in '89. i do try to read up on old skool hip hop and try to get the albums as well (it's good to know one's history i think). anyway i noticed as i was reading about the album on that some songs have lots of samples. i'm not really sure but i think most old skool hip hop used a lot of samples on one song (i statnd to be corrected). when i make a beat now i only ever use one sample. i noticed that many producers nowadays, even the big league dudes, use only one sample per song. is this trend bcoz of sample clearance issues or are people just lazy to dig for samples? could there be another reason that i am not aware of?
i would especially like to hear the response from people who've been listening to hip hop since the early days and were involved somehow in the movement as either dj's, producers, mc's, etc. but i'm not excluding anyone else. please feel free to discuss.
peace
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it really all depends, if you look at Dilla, he's used samples from all over the place, and used many in one track, the fact that most of the producers use one track is because they want to get that same vibe from the original record rather than be creative. I couldn't mess around with my samples like sound bombers(Public Enemy's in-house Producers) to make the sound collage, but I didn't much knowledge on diggin' nor the money to spend on Old records I didn't enjoy listening to.......I wanted some weird sounds, but I didnt' want to spend all my dough on lousy records.........
that's when I taught myself how to chop records out of pause tapes. My little brother first did it on his own tape recorder, but nowadays, I can do it on my own computer. I like the MPC becuase it helped me chop up beats which was, I thought, an unknown craft, until I'd heard gangstarr's "Give credit where credit is due" and they were playing the Bob James Track, and I recognized it. I knew then that what I had venutred into was choppin'. You can create your own sound by choppin', you own melodies. most producers back in the days were just using loops, which is pretty simple by todays standards. but one sample is all you need if you can flip it to the point that a rapper would want to spit to it.
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but one sample is all you need if you can flip it to the point that a rapper would want to spit to it.
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i think i get it now. it's all about challenging yourself and getting creative with the sample. i think that's something that i have to work on coz on some of the beats i've been practising on i've been doing pretty standard stuff, i.i. either a loop or chops. i haven't messed around much with filtering and eq'ing much, but i'll get there. baby steps, right?
peace
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923 posts, Jus Jones who but me???
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I think you just use what fits the beat you wanna make, sometimes it takes several samples from different songs and sometimes all you need is that one special sample from some long forgotten gem on wax...
And to the fella who said there are no digging spots in his town, its not true... if you have access to yahoo groups, look into freecycle or reuseit and ur city name... i got at least 100 pieces of wax that way, so much that I actually had to give some away to accommodate the ones I bought... also dont forget about craigslist.org, or even a library... the libraries in the STL sell their wax fairly often, and garage sales, oh garage sales... if you see a sign for a garage sale and the "sellers" are white haired old men and women, you may have hit the mother lode, SERIOUSLY!!!
But yeah using many samples is very necessary at times when you just need that "perfect" beat...
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538 posts, Champion of the Sun!
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Sampling is a fundamental piece of Hip Hop music, this is why folks have continued to sample despite the harshness of clearance laws. We make something new from something old, pay homage to those before us, and also push forth this new creative art.
Cuts, pastes, and builds something.
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44 posts, Registered User
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Originally Posted by magic stick
i think i get it now. it's all about challenging yourself and getting creative with the sample. i think that's something that i have to work on coz on some of the beats i've been practising on i've been doing pretty standard stuff, i.i. either a loop or chops. i haven't messed around much with filtering and eq'ing much, but i'll get there. baby steps, right?
peace
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as long as you have fun with it, it's all that matters.
I remember flipping a track backwards, some indian track I'd found on my way home while walking. I found a dirty tape, picked it up and found some indian music in it, so I didn't know the name of it. I sampled it, caught a beat, reversed it and it was a banger.......I've lost it since then becuase I was disorganized with my disks(while using the mpc 2000)
but you'll be surprised what happens when you experiment.
I think too many cats are looking for that beat that sounds like some of the top producers today, but that's not how to find your own sound
but you know, Practice makes perfect
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