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The calling The calling is offline
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The progressions you choose to use depends on how you intend to arrange the song.
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If you want them to.


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its all creativity and preference. It is true that certain chord progressions sound more appealing to ones ears than others. If you get deep into theory you'll see alot of stuff that looks like this, I - V, or I- IV- V, but for the most part just do what you think sounds best.
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Ok, now for a serious contribution to this topic. These days, in modern music there are only a few different types of progressions used. A lot of these stem from a root minor chord. From there, you have a few options of where to go. But a vast majority use only certain chords in the scale:

I-iii-IV-V-vi-vii

So if we start from I in a natural minor key, the chords that sound best from there are iii, vi or vii.

You build up chord progressions like that, then you work out which chord sounds best from that point. A few examples are:

Kanye West, stronger:

I-vii-iii-IV starting with Eb min

JT, what goes around:

I-iii-vii-IV starting with Amin

Nelly Furtado, say it right:

I-vii-vi-IV starting in Emin

Note how similar these progressions are, but they sound like completely different songs.
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Don't mean to be pedantic, and I'm only familar with JT's what goes around comes around, but if you're doing it in minor harmony, its:

i, III, VII, IV.

Generally in popular music, diatonic minor harmony tends to lead to these chord "choices" (I haven't included the aug, dim, etc.. )

i, ii, III, [iv or IV], [v or V], VI, VII.

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"basic" straightforward chord changes, you should look up "3 chord song" on wikipedia.

(I IV...V) is so famous its not even funny. Not to mention, a good quick structure for anyone learning.

any more than a minute, and some styles of music get boring perhaps... if all you DID was jump your melody to the IV or V for the changeup, it provides a nice jump in "level", then you can fall back to your root.

Wikipedia has a wealth of info under "chord changes" and stuff.

I got started by typing in "what is a 3 chord song ?" on google, and hitting the Wiki link that popped up...
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Don't mean to be pedantic
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if your main melody fo your song is in C, for instance... you would say the song is in the KEY of C. Personally, I am quite enamored of Pentatonic Minor, so... when my piece says "Trackitytrack in C minor", I meant to say "in C pentatonic minor".

that just means I am using the scale of C pent minor to pick notes from.

My KEY is C minor...

if I have enough melodies and instruments coming in and out that it stays sort of mildly interesting? The song is in C minor, and there are no chord changes.

If suddenly I want the track to suddenly "lift up" for some focus? I will look first at the 4 and the 5 chords.

Meaning? I started in C... thats the "1", or ROOT. Commonly called the "key" of the song.

when i jump up in "level", I might cut and paste my melody(s) up to F or G. (this is called transposition...)

if c=1, then f=4 and g=5. (skip the d and e? they are 2 and 3)


the 145 (aka, "3 chord song", also called I IV..V format...) chord progression means you typically start in C (assuming thats your root key...). As your needs dictate, you can jump (transpose...) to the F or G for a lift or focus.

this is a bastardized format left over from the classical period (or maybe it was the baroque, I forget...lol) which made extnsive use of the 1541 format in I believe sonata form.

early in "pop" music, they settled on 145 as sort of a "standard" pop progression. In theory, it makes it easier on the composer... he has a idea where he is going to "go"... and it makes it easier on the listener too, as he has some idea what to expect.

I used to think "3 chord song" was a cut on a song, that it was too basic... NOT SO. many VERY complex pieces of music use this famous chord progression.

the root sounds, well... its the foundation. going to the 4 and back, gives a lift or interlude. later on, jumping to the 5 can sound "triumphant" and bring a lot of "focus" to a part.

NOTE: when using anything other than pentatonic or pentatonic minor, it is often necessary when transposing a melody to ADJUST a few notes that suddenly sound "lame". Common wisdom has that you adjust them up in pitch a semitone at a time, until it sounds good again. SOmetimes, even in pentatonics this is necessary too.

I would suggest first making shorter tracks, about a minute or two at most... practicing making it sound interesting with no chord changes. Sitting in the root key through out. Then start expdrimenting with 145 chord changes, then lastly others once you have mastered the basics.

Unless you have a very practiced ear, most people cant just HEAR a song, and instantly know the root chord, and what chrd prog might be being used.

Thats what sheet music and tabs are for, LMAO


always trust your ears. If things suddenly startd to sound "sour", go back and adjust it until it fits to your ear. Whn you hit "a wall", the piece is "done" (for now...)

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Unless you have a very practiced ear, most people cant just HEAR a song, and instantly know the root chord, and what chrd prog might be being used
Its not that hard to do. All you need to do is take time to see what chords are used in your favourite songs and eventually you will be able to tell progressions from hearing them and playing them all the time.

With regards to being able to detect which key a song is in, the method to do that is to take a song you know really well. If you know what key this song is in, and you can hear it in your head, then you can use that as a reference point and figure out any other song based on that.
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