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Can someone really explain to me the difference in qualities between sampling from vinyl records and sampling CDs? Vinyl is a rare technology that has never been made available to me so I can't find out for myself. But I want to know what really is the big deal. Is vinyl just lighter in the high EQ range? And if so, couldn't the 'quality of vinyl' be replicated by adjusting the EQ settings of a digital recording to mimic vinyl's sound?
I'm anticipating a very heavy discussion coming ... thanks
One's analog and one's digital.
So some people will say that vinyl has a more organic feeling because of it's analog nature.
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if described in a sentence, how would you describe in words the difference of a song heard in analog, than the same song heard in digital?
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warmth, if you're sampling mp3's they tend to be pretty thin
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It's a matter of preference nowadays.I do prefer vinyl not only for the analog sound but because I prefer a dirty dusty sound.
Cd's are sterile and flat to me but some might prefer clean samples and it's all good.
Put it this way,analog is like a room with a decent but not high ceiling and digital is the sky 
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Izotope Vinyl is good for simulating vinyl. You could also mix that with real vinyl noise and your CD sampled beats will sound like you sampled from vinyl.
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Jesus Christ will come back to earth shout Dre out on the intro before [Detox] drops... "Drop thy 808 my son..."
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Not argueing, just giving my 2 cents.
In 2008, music is finalized to digital media(CD/Mp3/ect.).
So after catching all the "analog" feel from vinyl, it's digitally mastered.
So if your beat goes from "analogy" to digital, is it not ultimately doing the exact same thing that happens when they take an old Otis Redding Reel to Reel(analog)and run it to CD?
Placebo, my friends. Just as quick as I can rund that Commodores album thru the right chain and make it sound crystal clear like I recorded it today in Pro Tools, I can take my final mix of a new track and make it sound like a 50s release.
The question is, with everything going to digital media, why mix like it's not? People confuse "warmth" with analog. Different techniques get you digitally mastered warmth(duh, anytime you pop in a CD and hear that "warmth" you want your sh*t to sound like). But if your music's not ending up on Tape and Vinyl why mix it for Tape and Vinyl?
It will sound like sh*t on CD, and you most likely aren't mixing for "tape and vinyl" like you think you are unless your entire monitoring chain is analog.
Two things that annoy me are people who are positive out of ignorance, and people who are negative out of bitterness. People who are neither usually get along with me and agree with most of what I say. People who are one of the 2 think I'm the other.
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I think illapino is wanting that College Dropout/Be sound on his samples. Why else would you want your stuff to sound like vinyl unless you want that lo-fi sound?
Deranged please post up a snippet recorded from vinyl, one original and one after you make it sound clear that would be cool.
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Jesus Christ will come back to earth shout Dre out on the intro before [Detox] drops... "Drop thy 808 my son..."
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^^^When I get time, I'll do better and post that as well as a crystal clear digital recording and use filters and vinyl sound fxs turned down so quiet that they're subliminal to make a clean recording sound like it came from vinyl.
Before I type this, know there's no right or wrong techniques to mastering, this is just what I've been taught:
With Vinyl, you want to record it in to a digital source at 44.1khz 24bit around -12 to -6db to give plenty of headroom. Use effects that give more of a "sterile sound"(you don't want to use "saturation" or "tube" or "vintage" fx on an already "vintage sound"). Use noise reduction if needed, use standard EQ frequencies(78-80hz low shelf, around 545-550hz low mid, around 3750hz hi mid, around 10450 high shelf)adjust moderately to get a current sounding mix, a little stereo seperation, avoid compression unless really needed, and squash it with a limiter until it sounds like everything current.
In the same sense, you kinda do the exact opposite to get grittier and "warmer" digital mixes.
Two things that annoy me are people who are positive out of ignorance, and people who are negative out of bitterness. People who are neither usually get along with me and agree with most of what I say. People who are one of the 2 think I'm the other.
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www.myspace.com/phukdup
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Vinylize John Legend's P.D.A.
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