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To sample or not to sample: Debate
I am a gearslutz forum guy; however, I love to come to FP to get more of a hip hop perspective from the up and coming producers. Some of the threads I see disgust me yet some of the threads are very educational in a technical sense. Yes, some heads here are good at what they do and offer a great deal of knowledge when they are asked good questions. Yet, some of you dudes need to choose another profession..lol

Okay, enough of the rant ... (maybe not lol) now to the "meat" of debate. To sample or not to sample? Why do so many contemporary "beat makers" look down upon it and why do so many beat makers who lack understanding of music theory attempt to be musical? Now yes, you can get better at playing keys ... some even grow an ear to know what keys belong, scaling and progressions and the likes. But honestly, we have to admit that most beat makers continue to blindly make attempts at being musical ... (YOU ARE NOT A MUSICIAN ... you CAN be one though! with so called standard training) ... but again HONESTLY, Who really makes those steps?

Obviously, I am on the side of sampling and perhaps I'll be a tad bit biased ... not just chops and loops but instruments, drums, even the air in a break. It's just my personal taste to stay away from solely using "stock" sounds on keyboards. In my humble opinion, those "stock" sounds on keyboards are samples also (you'll play/arrange them and even tweak them). Patch=Sampled sound ... you may disagree but it is what it is. So keyboard beat makers, you are really playing a sample..lol on you keyboard. Yet and still, you attempt to verbally abuse the sample producer.

What angers me are those beat makers who do not know how to sample who for some odd reason have a belief that sampling is "easy." Those who can peck at keys randomly until they mistakingly come across a melody... and they consider this skill? Sampling and midi play an important role in Hip Hop... sampling moreso. Now, I may have a violin patch from a keyboard/sampletank and a violin sampe from a well known violinist. The sample could even be a pattern chopped ... now because I can play the violin on the keyboard doesn't make me a violinist! The sample doesn't make me a violinist either; however, it is played by a trained and well versed violinist. Which would you choose? Same thing for any instrument.

I believe that in these days "hip hip" music is made for and by people with no musical understanding at all. This is what probably has saved hip hop's ass ... as well as why a true musician doesn't respect it also (but phuck what they say). It's just discouraging to hear the new beat makers so focused on the wrong shyt like what DAW is the best who uses samples and who plays keys and who doesn't. I've seen pictures of some of you guy's studios and or home studio's and I'm amazed until I hear what's coming out of that shyt..lol What's the point of buying a triton, phantom, or sound module if you can't play worth shyt? Yet, because YOU can't play and your compositions sound like shyt, you attack the sample producer for using samples of actual musicians..lol sheesh!

I'm ranting but I hope this sets off good debate ... please ... leave out the "it's your personal choice and that's that ish" ... that is somewhat cop out material at most... let's hear from these keyboard producers as well as the sample heads ... why and what do you have against the other guy? To sample or not to sample?
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One's not better then the other but those who say sampling is easy haven't really sampled then cause it's hard work and time consuming I also play on the keyboard it's not that much harder but it takes more time to play your own melody and come up with something that ppl can bounce to but I'm a sample supporter sampled beat can sound as good as keyboard playing if enough time and effort are focused on the beat and if your any good

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Wow that was a great read. I agree with everything you said 100% do you mind if I post this up on another website?

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this is done like every 23 hours on FP....boring....boring....
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Oh this is the first time I read one. I think it was very well said. I also hate when people say that sampling is easy. The way I sample is actually very difficult. Shyt man some people cant even loop correctly. You shouldnt look down on any type of music. I like composed beats, but only if their hot. I hate all those new downsouth tracks but they do make me get busy in the club so I guess there ok.

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Well Hip hop is about Feeling!!! So it doesn't matter if you know music theory.

It's just with all the red tape people are discouraged from sampling. Me I don't care about the red tape sampling is just in me. I do notice that I see alot of beat contest popping up via the net with submitt tracks without samples. The fear of being sued has be come a major epidemic.

For the Stock Sounds response. Look at what the Bomb Squad did with stock drums compared to others producers during the early stages of Hip Hop who had the same gear. They layered and tweaked drum machine stock sounds and drum breaks samples to form their own kits which produced the PE sound of back in the day. So if you can take stock sounds from drum machine, keyboard or software progam an enhance them then by all means do it to create your own sounds.

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Originally Posted by Mainboi23SX
this is done like every 23 hours on FP....boring....boring....
I'm not on every 23 hours.. I spent too much time actually doing music..lol but when I do come in .. I see ignorant threads from those who may be no older than 15 years old make comments that could discourage others ... I use to take everything here that was said as GOLD until I heard some of the producers music smh!! Most of which happend to be the keyboard producers with 10,000 set-ups ... but boring boring boring...lol

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I'm not on every 23 hours.. I spent too much time actually doing music..lol but when I do come in .. I see ignorant threads from those who may be no older than 15 years old make comments that could discourage others ... I use to take everything here that was said as GOLD until I heard some of the producers music smh!! Most of which happend to be the keyboard producers with 10,000 set-ups ... but boring boring boring...lol

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I feel you...This thread has the potential to get interesting with an debate or two. I wish I spent more time making music then posting on FP. AM like I multi-task it but still this is the only place and people I can talk music about and they understand me.+
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I'm a trained musician. Since I was about 5.

And I sample.

Why?

It gives it that good ol' hip-hop vibe that can't be attained when composing from a keyboard.

I chop my stuff up very nice, and it sounds realistic. The guitar riffs in my new beat could never be done the same way on a keyboard. A nice sampled beat is the epitemy of what hip-hop is.

I have nothing against composers though. I've made a few hot beats that I've composed, but they just didn't have the same feeling.
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