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I was wondering if anyone out there had any tips / techniques or knew of any good web resources on getting the most out of your patterns and melodies...

everything i make seems so flat....the idea is there, but it just doesn't *pump*...you know what i mean...

Im currently doing all my work in Buzz tracker, I want to be able to have longer / shorter delays between notes...not just have everything locked to the 4/4 pattern... i think this would give me some variance in rythm and sound.

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PS. 1st post, nice board.
12-20-2000
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hi .. you have picked a nice software for making psytrance..
buzz is a really good software..
try working with effects also..
in case, you want to know more.. mail me..

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12-21-2000
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Also, you might wanna try Reason as well. It is very good to make this kind of music too, try it.

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12-21-2000
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thanks for your replies...

believe me, as soon as i can get my hands on the full version of reason i will...using this demo is just killing me... sitting there, knowing..that in 20 mins these beautifull soundscapes are going to dissapear....

im familiar with many of the programs and have been tracking on and off for a bit now...

my question is more directed at music theory i guess, composition of a good melody, getting those nice intricate patterns and linking melodies together so they flow...

any tips/urls/advice is appreciated

thanks
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12-22-2000
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my question is more directed at music theory i guess, composition of a good melody, getting those nice intricate patterns and linking melodies together so they flow...
ahh that's different.. and it is a good question my friend. I always think DJs and other guys who get into music should go to get music theory training first... I was in a classical music school from the age of 6 (and did 2 years of special kids music classes before that), and there I learnt ranges of notes, what minor and major are, rhythm, etc.. it is hard to improvise and invent those and you can tell when someone did or did not take classes in his life.

I am glad you are asking this question, because it shows that you are realizing this. Most people don't care and are too lazy to go through 2 years of music training at least.

mmhh... Now what should you do? Are you willing to go to two classes per week and learn the notes? It is up to you

I just found this link: http://www.mi.edu I think it is a very cool school in california. But you may find links from there. Good luck!

Also if you have any precise question about music, feel free to post.


one tip maybe: get a keyboard if you dont have one (a cheap controller so you can even control your software synths remotely) and press the notes slowly... listen to them... and press two notes at the same time then.. sometimes it doesnt sound right, sometimes it does... try try try... again and again.. write down the notes that go together for you... Also maybe get a book which lists RANGES of notes (there are several). They are variations of the basic DO RE MI FA SOL LA SI (A B C D E F G I think? I am not american so I know the european way).

talk soon, see you around!

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12-22-2000
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thanks mano, ive realised for a while that if i want to get better i am going to have to learn music theory, it's something i really wish i did when i was younger

unfortunately im at uni doing a double degree in Graphic Design / Computer Science, which basically leaves me little time for formal lessons. I am wondering if any of you have taught yourselves music theory from resources on the internet and such?, any recommended online courses?

one more question [sorry, its a little off topic]: I went digging around in the garage for a keyboard (i was sure we had one), i found this dodgy looking Yamaha PSR-6, i checked the back and it only has 2 sockets, one for DC (power) and an Aux Out/Headphone jack....I know its a long shot but is there any way i could connect it upto to my computer using the AUX out?..

thanks again
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12-22-2000
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is there any way i could connect it upto to my computer using the AUX out?..
unfortunately no... Those PSR with the MIDI out thing would have been a correct controller (at least it wouls have worked!) but unfortunately the one you have doesn't seem to have a MIDI OUT.

I saw you've posted a new thread about controllers, I will try to help you. take care man

About online courses, I wouldnt recommend them... Maybe you could try to buy a book+CD (or +cdrom) showing you the basics of the notes, major and minor ranges (very very important). I think there are PLENTY of books. Here is a direct URL:

click here(bookmark it!)

good luck!

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hey .. incase, you haven't got any formal training... it isn't that bad.. you could make music by listening by ear.. you put in what you like.. and play around with notes.. a timeconsuming process but is fun too.. and psychedelic music is supposed to be psychedelic, so practice and get enlightened! ..

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12-22-2000
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Devic, that gives me some hope, and up to now is what i have been doing, and I am progressing and getting better all the time.... I just cant help but feel there is something i am missing

But for now thats what ill continue to do , ill keep playing around on this PSR-6 until i can get a midi controler, just playing the notes on the keyboard like mano suggested is giving me a much better idea of how everything links together, it's alot more free flowing than tediously reprogramming patterns until they sound right

Ill keep an eye out for courses around my local area...im on holidays at the moment, so who knows

one question, even though you dont recommend the online courses mano, are there any topics you think would be of use to start researching until i get a chance to do a proper course? (things like major / minor, rythm etc?)

cheers guys
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12-24-2000
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hey .. you got me wrong dude.. do any msucial course avaialable and expand your knowledge .. what i meant, was to try on fiddle with the notes.. try to get a melody out of it.. and if you like it, then use it. as for me, i don't have the time to do these courses, so i actually try to make music by ear.. ie. listening .. i know **** about chords and majors/minors .. yet, i play with notes.. and if i like it, i use it..

you can check out my music at http://www.mp3.com/devic

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