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anointed2 anointed2 is offline
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I have an artist that I am producing, This is my first R&B gig, and I need some help.. I can produce the music with no problem, but I need help with writting lyrics for this young lady. She wishes to sing R&B, but IMHO she hasn't went through the struggle, or have the relationship background to sing this music..

As a producer, how do I bring the emotion that it takes to truly sing r&b down to her level..

Two, How do I write R&B lyrics, I am a gospel producer. I know what it is to love.. However, because of my love for God.. My slant on love is different.. How can I, as a producer instil my character into the artist that I am producing, as well as making the music relevant to those who'd listen to it?
10-28-2001
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mattu mattu is offline
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Well, it's all love, isn't it? The old soul singers, like Otis and Marvin and Aretha, basically took a gospel lyric and replaced His name with a lover's name. And if you listen to a track like "Shackles" by Mary Mary, for instance (now, this was a very obvious example), that is basically a gospel song, but with a modern r&b backing.
What I think you should do is to sit down with your singer and bring up a topic, such as 'what has been the most painful event of your life?' if that is the sort of lyric you want to write. Discuss around the topic, try to find out what her feelings about are and then try to take the matter to your heart and see what you can do with it. I always say, don't force it if you can't feel it. If you're not feeling it, no one else will.
I've written tons of lyrics in my days and the ones that I'm the most proud of are the ones that I have written about something that has really bothered or hurt me emotionally.
10-28-2001
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If you have a deep understanding of god then im sure you are able to empathise. I write about my friends pain for them by just imagining how id feel in there situation. You say you know about love so how would you feel if that love was taken or abused ? If u find it hard then think and try and feel the opposite to what you do normally. Im sure this girl must have something that is personally painful to her, ask her to focus ont hat when performing.

She saw me come over her hour glass body, she had problems with drinking milk and being school tardy. She'll loan you her toothbrush, she'll bar tend your party....(KOL)

10-29-2001
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theblue1 theblue1 is offline
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Mattu and Trouble have it right. Soul music is heart music... if you write from your heart about real feelings it will translate.

I think where a lot of contemporary religious music loses all but the already converted/true believer audience is that so much of it is praise music -- basically flattery directed at God. (Check out the story of Job to see God's response to Job's friends' flatteries. He didn't seem to be amused... and, frankly, neither are a lot of modern listeners by the tepid "God is groovy" lyrics of a lot of Christian pop.)

But music that speaks of real spiritual longing and struggle can be so compelling as to make an atheist cry...

I'm not exactly sure if I go for "just replace 'God' with 'girlfriend' " as a strategy for converting one's devotional ouvre to secular use -- but the notion of the interchangeability of same is a time-honored truism about the gospel/R&B connection which I think I first heard from no less an authority on both than Aretha herself (in print -- not over coffee).

(There's a classic Dick Van Dyke where Mary Tyler Moore takes a years later surprising second look at the sonnets an old boyfriend wrote and gave to her... just before he broke off the relationship and became a priest. It's not that funny an episode but I kinda like the sonnet... )

And there really are a number of Gospel and other songs that can work either way... just toss a stained glass window and a key spot into the video and you're off and running...

But, at any rate, the same things make a good R&B song as a gospel song: immediacy, sincerity, attention to storytelling and imagery, and artful use of language. We may not know from the lyrics that the author of Amazing Grace was a reformed slave boat captain -- but we know that the guy in the song has seen the depths of human failure and depravity and yet has finally found refuge in his love for God -- it's powerful stuff.

By the same token there's usually a backstory of some kind a lot of great love songs -- even as things stay vague enough to stay "universal" -- just like good devotional music. The story might not be explicit, it might be hidden in hints, suggestions, metaphors and details -- but it's usually there.

TK
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11-05-2001
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SOUNDBOY SOUNDBOY is offline
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If it is something people can relate to and identify with themn it will be liked. first identify it with your target audience then angle them in the direction you want them to go. Take kirk franklin. He identified people with a funky beat that everybody could relate to then took them to church with his lyrics. you can incorporate spirituality into R&B. Look at the instruments you use to make the music. the style in which the hooks or background are sung. If you can identify with something people have or are going thru then they can feel your music on a deeper level and are more in tuned to it. Remember the old song SADIE by the spinners. Every body could identify to seeing their mother struggle. And what about Brandy by the Ojays. once again the lost of something you love. Just identify on a level that everyone can feel
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