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Kleen Kut Kleen Kut is offline
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Think about though...name some of the top producers in hip-hop. You'd probably include...Dre, Alchemist, Premier, Hi-Tek, lately 9th wonder. All these guys are guilty of sampling a bar or more of something. Some chop it up more than others, but they are still using more than 1 drum hit. To me sampling is a lot about hearing something that will convey the mood you're looking for. Without a good ear for records...you won't know if the sample will sound hot or not. I always begin to hear a whole track...and think of the different parts of the sample I want to use...I'll also start hearing what kind of a kick, snare, percussion I want over it and the rhythm I want too. So there is still a lot you can do creatively when you sample a bar or more. I'll still do a lot of layering to, like cutting out little one-shots to change up the melody or whatever. Anyways...I don't fully agree with everything thats said about sampling...because I hear people that sample more than a bar and still do a real ****ty job...even if the sample is hot.
12-11-2003
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Its alot easier to stay with the same record! But its better to mix it up if you are looking to make a very diverse beat! For Newer producers...i would say...master the art of using 1 record at a time!


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12-12-2003
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Captain Crunk Captain Crunk is offline
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For me theres no limitations but really i dont think its that easy to sample a 16 bar loop and make a beat out of

i sample usauly one bar from a record followed with another bar from somewhere else in the record or another record but if you find a sample that sounds good and its 16 bars and makes a grimey banger more power too you.

its all comes down to how things sound .. LISTEN TO YOU EAR

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12-13-2003
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wonpeace wonpeace is offline
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Originally posted by highkoo


Do any of yo sample heads out there know anything about neo-intellectualism? It explains why we are sampling now, as a culture.
neo-intellectualism: do you mean a departure from intellectualism?

are you referring to detatchment?

please more detail
12-13-2003
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nukles nukles is offline
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some people simply don't get the whole sampling thing and that's fine, it's not made to appeal to everyone.

i have been making hio-hop for 10 years now and i will sample from at the very least 5 diffrent sources to make one track. some times from 20 sources in one track.

first reason, sampling is an artform in itself, not a way to make yoiur track sound like the one you sampled. looping a musical sample and a breakbeat together was only cool before samplers existed (RUN DMC's Jam Master Jay did it with turntables to a 24 track tape recorder)

now with samplers, being creative with your samples is where talent comes alive. the sampled sound is a very specific one and quite appealing to many. that warm "saturated-tape-recording-from-vinyl" sound. when i make a track, people can only spot where the sample came from if i conciously decide that i want them to. i will either take the sample to hell and beyond so that one person in a million could tell or i will sample from extremely obscure sources so that only one person in a million may have heard the original (50 or 100 years ago ) . don't be affraid to use the kick, snare and hihat from three diffrent beats and make your own so it sounds sampled but doesn't come from an original song. or to make an 8 bar melody from a piano sample, a flute sample and some horns that all come from diffrent sources.

some times you will have to adjust the pitch, and some times you can have a very cool dark dischordant sound that will work well and make your music a little mean.

i don't only make music for Rap, but it's my bread and butter. for myself i make trip-hop and electro-jazz. in those styles i will use more played parts mixed with sampling.

i also like to chop a sampled phrase and play it in a diffrent order while not even using every slice of it. that way you come up with the melody but you have that exact sound you liked from the original piece.

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12-17-2003
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Kleen Kut Kleen Kut is offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nukles
looping a musical sample and a breakbeat together was only cool before samplers existed [/QUOTE

I don't think there a such rigid rules in music.

Your whole thing about sampling is to take one shots from a bunch of different records and combine them, which to me is not any harder than sampling from one record. It might be more time consuming in some cases, but doesn't require you to be any better of a beat maker. I know I usually seperate sampling one-shots and beat making. In other words I normally will not do both at the same time. I like getting one-shots from a big variety of records, and filling my hard-drive up with as many wavs as I can fit. But when It comes to making the beat, I don't want to sit and listen through records and try to find the exact snare sound I want, I want to just go to my snare folder and find the closest sounding one.
12-17-2003
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i use records in almost every beat i make, and usually i use a couple records. i aint got any real editing equipment or nothin but it gives a lot of practice, and it still comes out alright
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As many as it takes. The most Ive used is 4 but I usually use one or 2


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