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826 posts, Imma rapper's producer!!!
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Originally Posted by say it terror
why are you attempting to defend reason so much? i love reason. i used it standalone for ages. great songs can be made in it.
in reason you are stuck with the stock synths and fx. while they are satisfactory and can get the job done there are better and more varied tools out there.
VSTs allow you to be more varied in your sound, if you choose it.
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1.no you're not
2.so does reason
nobody is defending anything,just asking questions and tryna find answers..calm down
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384 posts, Registered User
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calm down? where in my post does it display that i am aggravated or annoyed at anything?
in reference to reason your number one. how is reason not stuck with the stock synths and fx. how can you implement other synths or fx with reason?
and for number two what exactly do you mean?
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2,311 posts, Registered User
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Originally Posted by GST
how is it a flaw if we don't need them?
also,what tools are you talking about? you can make a complete beat in reason,what tool is it missing? besides the beloved VSts
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You make it sound like a VST is just 1 thing. Is it really possible that you don't know that a VST can represent any type of device? Synthesizers, effects and sample manglers. So when you ask what tool is missing, I believe you can easily find what Reason doesn't have, and has no access to. You may say, "Well, I don't personally need it". And if you were the only customer of Propellerheads, that would make perfect sense. But since other people use it, then they may actually be sitting there thinking, "Man, I sure would love to have something like Edison in Reason."
Realistically though, you probably don't realize that when it comes to sample based instruments, you truly are limiting the quality of your music in Reason. Reason doesn't have a sampler sophisticated enough to do what is possible in the best that VST has to offer. It's really that simple. In other words, NN-XT is not Kontakt, it's not Gigasampler, it's not a whole lot of things that are available as a plugin. If you want the best and highest quality sample based instruments available, (Not Sampletank and Sonic Synth if that's what's crossing your mind), then you'll have to think more seriously about VST plugins.
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110 posts, FL and Studio One user
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Originally Posted by say it terror
yeah people say a GUI shouldn't be important but to me it really is. it's not the most important thing but i would prefer if something looked nice. it's always better if you work in an environment that you find visually appealing.
as far as wedges point about the wires being on the back. he does raise a good point. i personally am a huge fan of reason and used it as my main tool for quite a while. for one thing i love the wires and the whole virtual studio set-up of reason as it allows you to do very creative routing. unfortunately it also has its drawbacks and it is something that wedges also brought up. why is software trying to imitate hardware? and by attempting to mimic hardware it also takes on the limitations of hardware. when in a software environment this shouldn't be an issue.
la stone mentioned this as well. maybe he just worded it a little better than wedges.
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Well GST my point isn't really off thw all just read this post it makes perfect sence. When you try to imitate something you get the limitations of that something. again and I'm actually asking you are there more capabilities on the Reason mixer than the FL studio mixer.?
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here's the truth. If you wanna save money get reason+ Record. FL9 is the better sequencer but Fl is crap without any vsts. For sampling FL is better. Edison and Slice X are really nice. if money is not an issue Id Rewire Reason to an DAW.
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The word "better" get's thrown around like scientific fact in this thread.
Why would people suggest Reason + Record as a "cheaper option?" FL fully loaded is $399 and does everything Reason + Record does and comes with just as many sounds. To think otherwise, you must have overlooked all the downloadable content. FL9 is just as sufficient out the box as Reason + Record is, as for buying vstis...I doubt there are many Reason owners who have never purchased a Refill.......
Why is FL "better" for sampling? Wouldn't that be left to one's opinion based on their workflow?
Why is FL only good for "beginners" or "easy"? Such statements show ones lack of depth in music creation. "Beginners" aren't taking advantage of it's automation, step sequencer advanced functions, sample cell built in effects like filters, ASDR values, pitch shift, timestretch, ect.
The fact is, there is a huge spectum of vsts/vstis/au/rtas/ect. plug ins while Reason Refills are indeed very much isolated to the modules inside Reason. The question should be what do you look for in your sound collection? There are vstis that can do things motifs and Fantoms can't do. That does not make Motifs, Fantoms or Refills obsolete or even the worse choice depending on what you're looking for.
Everyone is entitled to opinions on preference, but why do these threads always turn into a "I use this, so your product is obsolete" contest? We literally may as well be arguing apples vs. oranges in this thread.
Two things that annoy me are people who are positive out of ignorance, and people who are negative out of bitterness. People who are neither usually get along with me and agree with most of what I say. People who are one of the 2 think I'm the other.
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Last edited by deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup; 2 Weeks Ago at 12:55 PM..
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826 posts, Imma rapper's producer!!!
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Originally Posted by Wedges2
Well GST my point isn't really off thw all just read this post it makes perfect sence. When you try to imitate something you get the limitations of that something. again and I'm actually asking you are there more capabilities on the Reason mixer than the FL studio mixer.?
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dude,I honestly don't even care cuz when it comes down to mixing on either one,it's the person doing the mixing that matters
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Originally Posted by nwo504
here's the truth. If you wanna save money get reason+ Record. FL9 is the better sequencer but Fl is crap without any vsts. For sampling FL is better. Edison and Slice X are really nice. if money is not an issue Id Rewire Reason to an DAW.
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this is one big ass circle lol
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Originally Posted by L. A. Stone
You make it sound like a VST is just 1 thing. Is it really possible that you don't know that a VST can represent any type of device? Synthesizers, effects and sample manglers. So when you ask what tool is missing, I believe you can easily find what Reason doesn't have, and has no access to. You may say, "Well, I don't personally need it". And if you were the only customer of Propellerheads, that would make perfect sense. But since other people use it, then they may actually be sitting there thinking, "Man, I sure would love to have something like Edison in Reason."
Realistically though, you probably don't realize that when it comes to sample based instruments, you truly are limiting the quality of your music in Reason. Reason doesn't have a sampler sophisticated enough to do what is possible in the best that VST has to offer. It's really that simple. In other words, NN-XT is not Kontakt, it's not Gigasampler, it's not a whole lot of things that are available as a plugin. If you want the best and highest quality sample based instruments available, (Not Sampletank and Sonic Synth if that's what's crossing your mind), then you'll have to think more seriously about VST plugins.
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clearly it's not just me as proved by propellerheads success and thas something that you would like to assume..i'm thinking propellerhead would have added VST axx a long time ago if that were the case..the major gripe was not being able to record live instruments or vocals...voila!!..Propellerhead Record..so apparently die hard reason users don't care about it not supporting VSTs
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very good point. i just find it odd when people attempt to blindly defend their chosen daw.
when i saw that flstudio is technically the "better" program i stand behind that statement. like i said i love reason and i've used it for ages standalone and if it wasn't for the fact that it's missing a few things that i want to use i would probably be still using it by itself, maybe coupled with record.
i love working with reason because of the workflow but i ultimately left it as my main sequencer because it didn't have everything i wanted. and while i personally am rewiring still, when you rewire reason into another daw to make use of it's synths and sounds you really get to compare it to what else is out there. like i've previously stated i love certain things in reason, such as the malstrom. i'm not sure if i would go near thor if it was offered as a VST, i still use it frequently because i'm used to it, and i probably wouldn't touch subtractor although it is a pretty cool light synth that is nice for basses.
i will still buy reason 5 and i'm really interested in the direction that propellerheads take it.
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12,799 posts, Moderator
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Originally Posted by GST
..so apparently die hard reason users don't care about it not supporting VSTs
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Actually that's been one of the biggest requests from Reason users for years. Propellerheads simply said "no" to the consumers time and time again about the support being added.
I personally have no use for vsts in Reason. Just clarifying that Reason users do indeed care about vst support and have had that as the #1 request on their wish lists for a few Reason releases. They honestly didn't even fix people's request for audio recording...they just invented an entire new app.
Two things that annoy me are people who are positive out of ignorance, and people who are negative out of bitterness. People who are neither usually get along with me and agree with most of what I say. People who are one of the 2 think I'm the other.
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826 posts, Imma rapper's producer!!!
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Originally Posted by deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
Actually that's been one of the biggest requests from Reason users for years. Propellerheads simply said "no" to the consumers time and time again about the support being added.
I personally have no use for vsts in Reason. Just clarifying that Reason users do indeed care about vst support and have had that as the #1 request on their wish lists for a few Reason releases. They honestly didn't even fix people's request for audio recording...they just invented an entire new app.
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I don't think it's as serious as you're tryna make it
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