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hey whats up guys. i like this dude from france called danger. he's opened for daft punk, he's pretty sick.

http://www.myspace.com/2emedanger

it sounds like he uses some kind of auto fader on his beats cause it sonds like all the volume goes down when then kicks happen, but very quickly. does anyone know how to do this? i use abelton live and I dont know how to auto fade on my kicks like that. anyone have any ideas?
01-27-2008
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It's sidechain compression - there's heavy compression on the mix that's triggered by the kick. There's a section specifically on this called "sidechaining in dance music" or something like that in the Live manual since it's being done so widely right now...


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thanks krushing

hey krushing i was wondering if you knew any sidechain compatible compressors, thats what they call for. i was looking at buying an Alesis 3630 Compressor that has a sidechain feature, I heard it's a really good compressor. im not sure if I want to go the software route on this one?


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The new Live 7 has a true sidechain compressor in it
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ah **** are you serious? i was really trying to avoid buying live 7 for now cause i didnt want to mess with the current dance stuff im working on. i think i need a temporary solution for now till i pick up that new version of live.
01-28-2008
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Theres a free sidechain compressor called Sidekick that you can get here, Ive not used it myself so I can't say how good it is....


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ive been trying to figure out how to do this without buying any additional software. i noticed it says "side chain" over the eq button in ableton lives' 6's compressor ii but i dont know if its the same thing. does anyone know? i'm eventually buying live 7 but i really dont want to get it right now cause its going to mess with things
02-05-2008
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The sidechain in the Live 6 compressor is only a sidechain EQ: the key signal is still the same than the one being compressed, but it goes through equalization first. There are some important uses for it, but in this case, it's not what you're looking for.

The kind of sidechaining you want to do is compressing a completely different signal (a significant part of the whole mix) according to level changes in a whole another signal (the kick track). As has been pointed out, Live 7 has a true separate key input in its compressor, which does the trick.

However, Live 6 itself is totally sidechain compatible, so any plugin which has a real seprate key input can be used in it. You have no need for the mentioned Sidekick plugin, as that one is intended to provide you with workaround sidechain routing in an environment where it isn't supported in the first place.

So, all you need to do is to find a nice compressor with a real sidechain key input. Then you can (for example) use the effect returns in Live 6 to route a signal as the key.

Here's a free one I have previously used successfully quite a lot: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1315.html

And here's a very nice commercial one (but not expensive): http://www.otiumfx.com/compadre.php

And then of course, there are other reasons to upgrade to Live 7 than just the sidechain enabled compressor, so... Your call. But I do get what you mean by not messing things up doing an upgrade in the middle of a project. In the mean time, you might very well get the sound you're after, using the free option I linked above.

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I've also seen instances of well-faked "side-chained pump" effects done with simple automated volume fades on the other tracks. This is obviously a bit tedious to fine-tune, but it works all the same.


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