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Yo,

everybody has some parts that he is somehow weak in, but the best thing to try to concentrate on the weak parts you have, recognise them and work on'em I think.
Now I dont wanna sound cocky at all but I think that I have some great melody ideas and chords, but when it comes to arrangement....bam...stuck like a hoe with no clinets in the middle of the night
Anybody knows some tutorials, tips anything...cuz I think if I defeat this weakness I caould really move some things...!

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04-13-2009
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When Layering your beat, record everything that's gonna on the climax of the record. The biggest part of the whole beat. Then do you're arranging work and subtract parts to arrange the rest of the beat.

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i understand to build to the climax but any advice on how to build the melody...drums are easy to me
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The most important part of arranging is making the drumbs do more that stop and start...
8bar opening: 1st 4 no drums...next four/drum-snare only
12bar verse: add highs and extras(leaving out hook chime or whateva you use for intensity)...before the hook comes in drop out the drums and let the snare hit once before the hook starts going with all sounds going full blast...
Repeat for each section but switch it up to keep it interesting...
Using a variation of such will help your tracks sound on purpose and bring it to life by having more personality.
Do the same with your melodies and it will begin to take on a life of it's own...

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Arrangement takes long time to learn properly. I needed the whole year of obsessive learning and making tracks just to get some catchy and acceptable arrangements to my cheesy pop songs. Make sure the intro really introduces listener to the track. There has to be more energy in every new verse and chorus which climaxes to the last chorus and calms down softly after that. Make sure to match the arrangement to the mood of the instrumental because it's the most important thing to do.

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04-14-2009
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Emmapeel9 Emmapeel9 is offline
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Arranging is a huge subject and I think it should have it's own section.

One method of arranging is to just loop the track, so that it plays constantly, and then play things over this until you do something you like.

Also, it is good to look at some pro-sessions to see how a commercial song is arranged. Sometimes instrument parts can be very sparce, like a triangle that plays only twice in the middle or a harmony on just one word.

Arranging is a huge subject though and it should get more airtime as part of the music making process.

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I use the same technique as the talked about above where you put everything in first and then take things out. Then once the song is finished, I go back over and carve out little drops here and there. Try muting tracks to see what sounds good with or without each other.

I think something should change every 4 or 8 depending on the situation.

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yall think too much.....u gotta feel the muzak man..feeeeeeeeel it.


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i agree with wonderkid. The arrangement depends on the song. A lot of times u just know what to do regardless of the ´rules ´. But another method is to track out as you play and make the beat. Like when u have you drumloop ready, just loop for like 100 bars. And then u can add the main melody and start recording all the other stuff at the right positions. Like if know im going to have another isntr come in at 8 bars ill just record it 8 bars into the verse so that it will be arranged when i press stop.

If youre looking for like a songwriting/beats arrangement a general rule of a pop/rnb sequence would look like this: ( this is a starting-point of course )

Intro: 4/8 bars
Verse: 8 bars
Pre-chorus: 4 bars
Chorus: 8 bars
Post-Chorus: 4 bars ( usually this is sort of an instrumental part with just the beat going and the vocalist just gets ready for the next verse )
Verse: 8 bars
Pre-Chorus: 4 bars
Chorus: 8 bars
Post-Chorus: 4 bars ( To make smoother transition the post-hook is often placed here as well, but feel free to go straight to the bridge )
Bridge / Break: 8 bars
Chorus: 8 bars
Outro: .....

Some songs even have something that might sound like a 16 bar chorus with diff instruments and vocal parts separating two 8 bar sequences...
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