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    i'm currently reading understand music theory written by margaret and im doin all the exercises n im learning all about music thoery.
    But my question is how do i apply all or some of the stuff i learned in this book about ms to making beats. (Like do i use most of it in fl studio.. piano roll n that kind of stuff.)

    Also when im done the book is there any thing also i have to learn?

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    Well if you're learning chords, a lot of songs have chords in them. Also, a lot of melodies come from your knowledge of scales and chords. Any DAW will allow u to compose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drought View Post
    i'm currently reading understand music theory written by margaret and im doin all the exercises n im learning all about music thoery.
    But my question is how do i apply all or some of the stuff i learned in this book about ms to making beats. (Like do i use most of it in fl studio.. piano roll n that kind of stuff.)

    Also when im done the book is there any thing also i have to learn?
    The easiest way(by easy I mean "easily applicable") to apply music theory is by learning an instrument. Harmony isn't something you can "just" read from a book and do automatically. You have to learn from example (learning songs) and that's how you build your "ear" for how different chords work in a tune, amongst other things. I'd start off with getting a midi keyboard and practice your chord progressions, like pick a key and play a I IV V pattern and experiment from there with the different chord combinations and such.

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    Get yourself a keyboard. It's the easiest instrument to play with notes, and to compose with theory.
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    Agree on the keyboard. That will be your most useful tool when making beats.

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    You may know this already, but most important thing is to pick a key/scale and make sure all the notes/chords you play are in that key. So for example for C minor notes that fit are
    C - D - Eb - F - G - Ab - Bb - C, and chords that fit are Cm - Ddim - D# - Fm - Gm - G# - A# (Chords are off the top of my head so correct me if i'm wrong).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmasn View Post
    You may know this already, but most important thing is to pick a key/scale and make sure all the notes/chords you play are in that key. So for example for C minor notes that fit are
    C - D - Eb - F - G - Ab - Bb - C, and chords that fit are Cm - Ddim - D# - Fm - Gm - G# - A# (Chords are off the top of my head so correct me if i'm wrong).
    In minor, we usually use a V7 for the fifth chord of the key. This is due to the leading tone (7th degree of the scale) being raised. This also changes the seventh chord of the scale from major to diminished.

    So, in Cminor, then corresponding chords would be:
    Cm, Ddim, EbMaj, Fmin, Gdom7 (written as G7), AbMaj, Bdim

    The roman numerals are:
    i_ii*_bIII_iv_V7_bVI_vii*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpthrust View Post
    In minor, we usually use a V7 for the fifth chord of the key. This is due to the leading tone (7th degree of the scale) being raised. This also changes the seventh chord of the scale from major to diminished.

    So, in Cminor, then corresponding chords would be:
    Cm, Ddim, EbMaj, Fmin, Gdom7 (written as G7), AbMaj, Bdim

    The roman numerals are:
    i_ii*_bIII_iv_V7_bVI_vii*
    Thanks man did not know that, maybe i shouldn't be so quick to give advice haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmasn View Post
    You may know this already, but most important thing is to pick a key/scale and make sure all the notes/chords you play are in that key. So for example for C minor notes that fit are
    C - D - Eb - F - G - Ab - Bb - C, and chords that fit are Cm - Ddim - D# - Fm - Gm - G# - A# (Chords are off the top of my head so correct me if i'm wrong).
    I notice two things - you cite the natural minor scale (the relative minor of Eb) and then you only cite the chords as #, which leads very quickly to confusion - when naming notes in a scale we always include one of each the musical alphabet to ensure that we name the notes correctly, i.e each scale must contain some form of A-B-C-D-E-F-G, whether as

    A## B## C## D## E## F## G##
    A# B# C# D# E# F# G#

    So your possible scales in the minor are as follows (notice that there are three types of minor scale, each used for different reasons):

    Natural Minor Chords Harmonic Minor Chords Melodic Minor Chords
    C Cm C Cm C Cm
    D Dmb5 D Dmb5 D Dm
    Eb Eb Eb Eb(#5) Eb Eb(#5)
    F Fm F Fm F F
    G Gm G G G G
    Ab Ab Ab Ab A Amb5
    Bb Bb B Bmb5 B Bmb5
    C Cm C Cm C Cm

    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpthrust View Post
    In minor, we usually use a V7 for the fifth chord of the key. This is due to the leading tone (7th degree of the scale) being raised. This also changes the seventh chord of the scale from major to diminished.

    So, in Cminor, then corresponding chords would be:
    Cm, Ddim, EbMaj, Fmin, Gdom7 (written as G7), AbMaj, Bdim

    The roman numerals are:
    i_ii*_bIII_iv_V7_bVI_vii*
    That would bIII#5 as the chord is Eb-G-B

    The rest of what you wrote only holds for the Harmonic Minor and then only when using the 7th for chord V, the rest ofm teh time we can just use the plain major chord or the minor chord depending on purpose and intent.

    As you know, I much prefer to see the Chords written as i iib5 bIII#5 iv V bVI viib5 in Roman Numerals
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    Good as usual pumpthrust and bandcoach! i would ask what's the diff b/w natural, harmonic, and melodic scales but i ain't ready 4 that yet. in due time though!

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