Hihats in 3/4 time??

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aborgraffiti

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When I put Hihats in 3/4 time does the division matter? ex: 1/8T, 1/16T

I have a song where the hihats switch from 1/4T to 1/8T and the hihat rolls are 1/64T and the song is in 4/4.

I know some level of 3/4 time will fit in a 4/4 song but is the above combo okay?
 
I'm not sure that you understand the difference between 4/4 and 3/4

everything you have stated is about triplet beat division in any time signature

If you use 1/4T as your main beat then dividing them into 1/8T or even 1/16T is fine as the relationship is 1:2:4 i.e. beat:half beat:quarter beat.

However, what you describe is more like 12/8 rendered within 4/4 i.e. you are dividing the 1/4 note beat into 3 equal parts (3 x 1/8T) and then playing these over all 4 1/4 note beats making 12 equal divisions of the bar

3/4, on the other hand, means using the 1/4 note as the beat but only using 3 of them

comparing 3/4 vs 4/4 with 1/8 note division of the beat

3/4 - 1-&-2-&-3-&-|-1-&- -2-&-3-&-|-1-&-2-&- -3-&-|-1-&-2-&-3-&-||
4/4 - 1-&-2-&-3-&- -4-&-|-1-&-2-&- -3-&-4-&-|-1-&- -2-&-3-&-4-&-||

comparing 3/4 vs 4/4 with 1/8T division of the beat

3/4 - 1-e-u-2-e-u-3-e-u-|-1-e-u- -2-e-u-3-e-u-|-1-e-u-2-e-u- -3-e-u-1-e-u-2-e-u-3-e-u-||
4/4 - 1-e-u-2-e-u-3-e-u- -4-e-u-|-1-e-u-2-e-u- -3-e-u-4-e-u-|-1-e-u-2-e-u-3-e-u-4-e-u-||

lastly 1/4T in both 3/4 and 4/4: in this configuration, beats 2 and 4 disappear from 4/4 entirely (there are six strikes per bar), whilst in 3/4 the beats cycle around 1,3,2 (with a varying number of partial "beats" as a result: bar 1 has 5 hits bar 2 has 4 hits bar 3 has 5 hits and bar 4 has 4 hits)

3/4 - 1-u-e-3-u-|-e- 2-u-e-|-1-u-e- -3-u-|-e-2-u-e-||
4/4 - 1-u-e-3-u- e-|-1-u-e- -3-u-e-|-1-u- -e- 3-u-e-||

Some audio would help me understand your real problem and provide a solution that is both meaningful and useful
 
Sorry, I guess I really just meant triplets because my beat is just a normal 4/4 beat but i wanted the hihats to sound different so i used triplets but idk if what i was doing was right.

This what my hihats look like on the grid is this not okay?

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bandcoach said:
I'm not sure that you understand the difference between 4/4 and 3/4

everything you have stated is about triplet beat division in any time signature

If you use 1/4T as your main beat then dividing them into 1/8T or even 1/16T is fine as the relationship is 1:2:4 i.e. beat:half beat:quarter beat.

However, what you describe is more like 12/8 rendered within 4/4 i.e. you are dividing the 1/4 note beat into 3 equal parts (3 x 1/8T) and then playing these over all 4 1/4 note beats making 12 equal divisions of the bar

3/4, on the other hand, means using the 1/4 note as the beat but only using 3 of them

comparing 3/4 vs 4/4 with 1/8 note division of the beat

3/4 - 1-&-2-&-3-&-|-1-&- -2-&-3-&-|-1-&-2-&- -3-&-|-1-&-2-&-3-&-||
4/4 - 1-&-2-&-3-&- -4-&-|-1-&-2-&- -3-&-4-&-|-1-&- -2-&-3-&-4-&-||

comparing 3/4 vs 4/4 with 1/8T division of the beat

3/4 - 1-e-u-2-e-u-3-e-u-|-1-e-u- -2-e-u-3-e-u-|-1-e-u-2-e-u- -3-e-u-1-e-u-2-e-u-3-e-u-||
4/4 - 1-e-u-2-e-u-3-e-u- -4-e-u-|-1-e-u-2-e-u- -3-e-u-4-e-u-|-1-e-u-2-e-u-3-e-u-4-e-u-||

lastly 1/4T in both 3/4 and 4/4: in this configuration, beats 2 and 4 disappear from 4/4 entirely (there are six strikes per bar), whilst in 3/4 the beats cycle around 1,3,2 (with a varying number of partial "beats" as a result: bar 1 has 5 hits bar 2 has 4 hits bar 3 has 5 hits and bar 4 has 4 hits)

3/4 - 1-u-e-3-u-|-e- 2-u-e-|-1-u-e- -3-u-|-e-2-u-e-||
4/4 - 1-u-e-3-u- e-|-1-u-e- -3-u-e-|-1-u- -e- 3-u-e-||

Some audio would help me understand your real problem and provide a solution that is both meaningful and useful
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Here's the beat so you can listen to it and tell me if it sounds too off when the hihats come in




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5hhmeyZbY8
 
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so there was nothing in that that made me think you did what you describe - I didn't even hear a sequence of 64T

maybe a shorter piece if audio with just the section described
 
bandcoach said:
so there was nothing in that that made me think you did what you describe - I didn't even hear a sequence of 64T

maybe a shorter piece if audio with just the section described
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Here is what the triplet Hihats sound like. And I only ended up putting triplets that were 1/4T and 1/64T. I should have stated that I had changed it somewhat from what I originally had said, but you never even heard the 1/64T rolls so I'm guessing you didn't listen for more then a few seconds anyway.



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This is proof that it is indeed 1/64T unless Ableton is lying to me, you have to click on the picture to make it bigger.

I'm sorry I am being confusing but I'm new to music so I don't know much.



So are triplets in any division okay that's really my question idk if that's not possible to answer or something but what i was trying to say is that i have multiple types of triplets in my beat and i was just trying to figure out if that was okay or not since i wasn't sure.
 
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actually I listened all the way through - admittedly doing other things as I figure the hat lines would be audible or at least noticeable

as for what you have nothing special or abnormal there

most hip hop uses triplet patterns based on 1/8T-1/16T groupings

moving them up to 1/4T-1/8T groupings is simply playing in half-time
 
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bandcoach said:
actually I listened all the way through - admittedly doing other things as I figure the hat lines would be audible or at least noticeable

as for what you have nothing special or abnormal there

most hip hop uses triplet patterns based on 1/8T-1/16T groupings

moving them up to 1/4T-1/8T groupings is imply playing in half-time
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ok i can hear the hihats just fine but it's whatever.

and 1/8t (as in triplet t <-for triplet) is just half time of 1/4? actually i dont even really care anymore tbh. nvm it's cool.
 
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Didn't read over everything in the thread, but if you actually are keeping everything in 4/4. Using 8t, 16t, 64ths, 32nds, ect, everything will still land on time. It will give your hats/snare rolls/whatever you use it on a little "humanity", but everything will work. I switch between them all at random all the time to variate outcomes, never get a surprise that's "wrong".
 
exactly

the main thing to take away from this, aborgraffiti, is that what yo are doing is fine and does work so don't sweat it for now
 
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