Electro House bass synth like Dyro, Firebeatz etc?

Finoli

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These are the kind of synths I'm having major trouble replicating. To me they sound like the most basic synth sounds possible, yet I can't get it right. The synths don't sound like they have a lot of, or any, automation added to them (except for maybe pitch)
I'm using mainly Massive but I also have Z3TA+2.
Am I using the wrong plugins?

Anyone know how to make these sounds? Because I really can't figure it out, and I've spent many hours trying :(

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Jesus christ someone has got to have an idea of how to do this! D:
 
With Massive nearly everything is possible.
I suggest trying to play around with modern talking, deep throat, melofant, drive and stuff like that. combined with a classic tube effect.
 
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yeah, stick with massive for this one -- carbon is one of my favorites. try automating the formant modulation.
 
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