Do Todays New Jack Producers lack SOUL? (and what exactly IS S.O.U.L.?)

[StruggleBuggieMusic]

Do Todays New Jack Producers lack SOUL? (and what exactly IS S.O.U.L.?)

I read alot of these posts by the new guys, and believe me, I dont doubt that they have mad skills, know what sounds are hot, and why, but in the end, I feel that they have a certain displeasing "je nais se quoi."

You know what I mean, that secret missing ingredient: SOUL.

When theyre in the studio, the cell phone sits by the drum machine/controller...and then it rings<<<I would never answer, let alone have it in the same room as me when Im seriously about to THROW DOWN some Funky beats...

They get on forums like this and ask "what kind of music should I sample?" The answer to which we all know is: THE KIND OF MUSIC YOU LIKE...its like they are afraid to admit that they dont know about any other genres other than RAP and HIP HOP, and are scared that people will think them "lame" for digging 16th century french chamber music...<<<now thats really LAME, wouldnt you agree...

Now back to SOUL, and what it is. SOUL is a feeling of adoration, elevation, ecstasy for things of this earth, in other words, SOUL is secular church music...

Thats RIGHT, soul is church music for people that worship the body and all its delights and paradoxes: Lust/Love Pleasure/Pain, right/wrong, honesty/cheating...

So do these New Jack producers have that PASSION to re-interpret the CLASSIC music of america (JAZZ FUNK R/B, SOUL) through the kaleidoscope of TODAYS ETHOS and come up with a new form of SOUL music? Cause If they dont, music will need some major, major help...

PEACE...

[mark1234]

Soul is something that's true to the heart. It's a warm feeling.

[GlassCups]

I Feel like soul is something you feel. so i feel like its more of a lack of creativity than anything. But i do feel like people arent "Feeling" the samples as they use to anymore.

[mark1234]

I Feel like soul is something you feel. so i feel like its more of a lack of creativity than anything. But i do feel like people arent "Feeling" the samples as they use to anymore.

Perfect describtion of soul.
A lot of producers can't make something that you feel and that's actually a lack of creativity.
Sometimes i hear the smoothest beats and i still don't feel them cause they don't have real soul.
A smooth beat doesn't mean it's something that has soul.
I think a lot of modern R&B lack soul. You can't feel it.
When i think of Smooth i think of singers faking themselves just to try to get girls.
When i think of Soulful i think of something that comes truely from the heart.

[Desire Inspires]

Soul is nothing more than a bass guitar. I figured that out a while back when listening to "old school" music. There was nothing special about those songs. They just have catchy melodies with nice bass lines. All you need to make a soul record is a nice keyboard or guitar melody, a good drum rhythm, and a deep bass line.

Fortunately, no one cares about soul today. Yesterday's guitar bass has been replaced by an 808 bass drum. Just make good music and stop worrying about nonsense arguments.

[headshotsvol7]

Youll know soul when you hear it...case closed.

[StruggleBuggieMusic]

[QUOTE=Desire Inspires;49388080]Soul is nothing more than a bass guitar. I figured that out a while back when listening to "old school" music. There was nothing special about those songs. They just have catchy melodies with nice bass lines. All you need to make a soul record is a nice keyboard or guitar melody, a good drum rhythm, and a deep bass line.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thats the most asinine thing that Ive read so far on this thread...

Thats like saying the SECRET of SHAKESPHERE, and the greatness of his plays and sonnets was due to the fact that he used a QUILL PEN from a GOOSE FEATHER, instead of a word processor and a computer...

Its like you dont want to admit that music is CREATED by HUMANs, and that we cannot get a sense of the mood and the theme the music by LISTENING, and that the recording and composing of music that has SOUL is just a matter of following a scripted formula...

The Fender Jazz bass is still sold today. So is the Fender Stratocaster, as well as most of the instruments that were made to play all of those HIT MOTOWN records...

SO TELL ME why is it that no version of the MOTOWN sound exists today?

According to your flawed logic, there should be at least 2 or 3 similar successful record labels like that in each city, since its so easy to figure out that "There was nothing special about those songs"

FAIL...

[Kalm Kid]

from a brotha who's been listening to soul since he was a child to a producer who now samples soul i will say this.

Soul is something that you feel, people wonder why people make the screwface when they hear a real good soul beat? It's because they feel that sh*t, it draws a pure emotion out of you to make you want to listen further or write what's felt on your mind

I do agree with a lot of new producers lacking soul trying to make soul beats, like do you know even recognize that what your "sampling" is more than just a "sample"? this is timeless music your playing with son. I can't fault all the new cats dabbling with production though trying to sample, they probably went "well i want to begin sampling so what do i sample?" and as cliche as it sounds they said soul, even though they don't even listen to soul genuinely.

[Desire Inspires]

Thats the most asinine thing that Ive read so far on this thread...

Thats like saying the SECRET of SHAKESPHERE, and the greatness of his plays and sonnets was due to the fact that he used a QUILL PEN from a GOOSE FEATHER, instead of a word processor and a computer...

Its like you dont want to admit that music is CREATED by HUMANs, and that we cannot get a sense of the mood and the theme the music by LISTENING, and that the recording and composing of music that has SOUL is just a matter of following a scripted formula...

The Fender Jazz bass is still sold today. So is the Fender Stratocaster, as well as most of the instruments that were made to play all of those HIT MOTOWN records...

SO TELL ME why is it that no version of the MOTOWN sound exists today?

According to your flawed logic, there should be at least 2 or 3 similar successful record labels like that in each city, since its so easy to figure out that "There was nothing special about those songs"

FAIL...

Many musicians still play and create that Motown sound. It is not played on urban radio, but there are many stations that still broadcast soul music from the 60's all the way to today's soul acts. Many of the acts from the past are still touring and still have a ton of fans.

But....soul music is just a bass guitar. The main component of soul music is a bass guitar, just like the main component of rock music is an electric guitar. Let a dude replace a bass guitar with a ukelele and see how much "soul" his song has.

[Xabiton]

Let a dude replace a bass guitar with a ukelele and see how much "soul" his song has.

Lots if that person playing it has soul. You can play a soulful electric guitar solo or soulful pianos too. Having soul is less about the instrument and more about how you play it. You can play all the same notes and patterns but if you do not have soul you just do not have soul.

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from a brotha who's been listening to soul since he was a child to a producer who now samples soul i will say this.

Soul is something that you feel, people wonder why people make the screwface when they hear a real good soul beat? It's because they feel that sh*t, it draws a pure emotion out of you to make you want to listen further or write what's felt on your mind

I do agree with a lot of new producers lacking soul trying to make soul beats, like do you know even recognize that what your "sampling" is more than just a "sample"? this is timeless music your playing with son. I can't fault all the new cats dabbling with production though trying to sample, they probably went "well i want to begin sampling so what do i sample?" and as cliche as it sounds they said soul, even though they don't even listen to soul genuinely.

exactly