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    whats the difference here guys? like if you read the credits sometimes it will say contain samples...and some songs will say contains elements...also, i see this with jermaine dupri alot, it will say this song embodies a portion of bla bla bla...i have been confused on this for years...anybody know anything?

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    It contains a sample...
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    so if it all means it contains a sample...why dont they just write that...how come they make distinctions...between the sample, the embodiement and containing elements..there's got to be some kind of difference

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    its no difference
    I do the same thing

    its just boring to write the same thing all the time

    although sometimes it may not be the orgninal recording used, it could be a 're-composition'. But still, its all the same thing.
    Last edited by lion-ucs; 09-14-2007 at 07:58 AM.

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    ok...so lets say that i want to take a part of a song and put it in my song...like a vocal part...of a rap...if i sampled it off the original song, id have to cite it as a sample right? ok lets say I take the same phrase and say it myself...like i take the original track and rap along to it...then drop the original track and just have my voice...where i sound the same as the person who i was rappin along with but their work is no longer anywhere around...would i have to cite that as a sample, or embodiment or recomposition or would i have to even cite it at all seings how its my voice...and im not talkin bout a whole rap, just a little prhase of the song...

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    doesnt an element mean just the guitar or just the vocals etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigakizzle
    ok...so lets say that i want to take a part of a song and put it in my song...like a vocal part...of a rap...if i sampled it off the original song, id have to cite it as a sample right? ok lets say I take the same phrase and say it myself...like i take the original track and rap along to it...then drop the original track and just have my voice...where i sound the same as the person who i was rappin along with but their work is no longer anywhere around...would i have to cite that as a sample, or embodiment or recomposition or would i have to even cite it at all seings how its my voice...and im not talkin bout a whole rap, just a little prhase of the song...
    If you sampled, you cite the sample (element, excerpt, or whatever you wanna call it)
    if you say it yourself then its no problem -- far as I know. lol
    Planning on doing that myself (not gonna say what song, cause I dont want somebody to go do it before I do lol)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Bunner
    doesnt an element mean just the guitar or just the vocals etc?
    Thats a sample. Its all the same.

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    yeah...i wanna do the same..thats why im askin...but i wasnt to clear...theres got to be something to it..i mean for example...i couldnt just spit a jay z verse on my sh it and not pay cuz its my voice right? at what point does citing the work become necessary

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    fair enough
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    If it's your composed version of someone else's song like Dre does you write contains elements or embodies port of that song. Also if you sing a vocal melody word for word or change a couple of words like Noreaga's Superstar...in that Pharrell sings the chorus like Blondie's Rapture song but changes the words, you also write contains or embodies elements of that song. I think if you also sample a cover of an original song you write the same thing. Dre sampled a cover of Isaac Hayes Bumpy's Lament for XXplosive on Chronic 2001, not the actual Isaac Hayes version.
    A sample is blatantly sampled so you write contains a sample of...
    did that make sense?
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