[sample based] beatmakers who dont dig....

[rogergil]

To each, his own. I've dug in many crates, gone through relatives' old record collections, and walked around thrift stores in search of samples. That certainly can be part of the process but when it all comes down to it, anything that keeps me away from my music gear is superfluous (unless doing all of that is a source of inspiration). If I have access to vinyl, I'll use it. But I've discovered more obscure samples via "e-digging" than with records.

[binary_10essee]

I've been doing a lot of e-digging lately. However, I just started with sampling, as I've always just composed on my own. But now that I'm developing more of a love for sampling, I honestly plan to build a vinyl collection. I believe my parents have several old records, as well as other family members. And I plan to get a turntable soon. :-D

[mistayif]

a lot of people seem to have the mentality that a rare sample = a sick beat

[Oh4Re△L?!]

Old Hydro still out here trolling I see. We had this same discussion on Gearslutz and he ended up getting his account banned for name calling when people didn't agree with his perspective.

Anyways, I share the same sentiments as a lot of you. If it's dope.. I don't care where you got it from. CD, Youtube, Vinyl.. sampled yourself farting or whatever. Final product matters more than anything in my personal opinion.

[3ternal]

Meh I E-Dig and I don't care at all.

I'm doing whatever I can to make music.

Why limit yourself or anybody else?

Shit I'm sure there's dudes out there like "you're not a musician unless you play an instrument".

Is that stopping you from doing your thing?

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a lot of people seem to have the mentality that a rare sample = a sick beat

IDK about that maybe more like "rare sample = probably hasn't been used before".

[brodel34]

i agree with you but it's evolving. pete would hook up the vcr audio outs into his mpc and sample vhs tapes.... the point is that there are no rules.

With that being said... i hate these new cats that act like youtube and mp3's are the end all stop for samples. FOH. its a matter of being lazy. being lazy physically and being lazy mentally. When i was a younger beatmaker... i didnt really have means of getting vinyl. But i always exuded the mentallity that.... "alright... self, just understand that if you want to really do this, at some point you're going to have to really get dirty into vinyl." its a scary thought financially.... but you have to dig if you want to make a name for yourself with pete and dilla and nem. you have to develop a mindstate that anything can be sampled and flipped.... whether its an mp3 or vinyl. but in time you'll understand that the vinyl is where its at. its a rabbit hole that you don't understand until you find yourself in it.

so what i'm trying to say is.... there is nothing wrong with sampling an mp3.. if you're curbing your diet to spend money on vinyl at the same time. sample everything.

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

Amazon.com has 70s porn music on CD. IMO, You're not a "real digger" if you've never sampled 70s porn music. Never found that on vinyl(sure it exsists).

[Mr.Chris]

First thing there is nothing rare or obscure about e digging wether thats from a blog or Boo Tube!! with that said The reason why so much of todays music is wack is because a lot of the younger guys dont trully have an understanding of what the Hip hop culture is all about. Its not about "gettin paid" although that has become the perception.Anything you do you should do because you love it.Yes I know that a lot of people are on here thinking that making a beat is going to blow them up and solve all thier problems LOL news flash the days of big money in the music business is gone most of yall missed that!! not your fault of course but thats just the facts. Now the same medium in which you get your music is the same medium which has limited not only your musicial knowledge but your ability to make money off it as well. Yes the net has opened up the the world as we know it but it also has hampered what we do to a great degree. I dont claim to be an elitist or any other label that one might consider me but what i am is a card carrying certified Hip Hopper!! so i kind of know what im talikg about...What we have is a disconnect on a few levels as far as where we get our music from. like one of the posters said before there was hiphop as we know it Folks were playing Instruments and it was all about bands. That was cool and as musicial styles changed with the advent of disco we were headed into a new direction.Moving on now here comes the drum machines which were'nt made for hiphop as we were just using records. Most of us who are old enough grew up listening to our parents collection and if they were really cool you had a variety of music to listen to in the form of 45s/lps/8tracks/78s/ and cassettes.Of cousre the djs at that time were just cutting the records up and keeping them on beat by rocking the "break" thus came the terms B boys /breakin.. because thats what we would do when that part of the song came on. we were not using Drum machines at that time although they might have been in use they were not created for our specific use. I think flash was using one up in the Bronx or Masterdon.We know all the early Sugarhill stuff was replayed by thier house band and pumkin was the king of the beat.Now to me I learned about diggin and the culture from Jeckyll & Hyde, Flash, Hurk, Bam, Starsky.Red Alert. and all the other dudes that came to Harlem to do thier thing. That was an edcuation that was and continues to be priceless!! The art of diggin was still is and should continue to be the very essence of hiphop as a culture and a way of life. Yea e diggin is fast and i get that but like any job I need someone that is expierenced and has studied thier craft. Im sorry but you cant get that by clicking a mouse!! Can you make good music ?? Of cousre you can thats not the issue what the issue is is that anyone can download a song and use it but its much more impressive to have the original source material.That business about not having money to buy records or equipment is bogus because if you cant afford to do it then maybe you should'nt be doing it!!! like jay said this aint for everybody!!hipHop is not some get rich quick scheme!! most people gettin money put thier time in and im sure they didnt get paid on the first beat. Its a new day and a new time but you keep throwing away our culture then you will soon have no culture. Diggin for beats is The Biggest part of that culture because thats what the whole game is based on.... and while computer music is a good way to avoid sample clearence it can tend to sounds empty hollow and soul less as compared to a sampled beat.. I agree that we should use any and evertything that we can get our hands on to make music but dont try and make it seem like this music we call HipHop can get along without actually getting your hands dirty because it cant!!!... and its a tad bit disrespectful to all those that came before you...In closing please note that everything is not on boo tube or linked to a blog!! and for those selling thier records for the next best thing... theres always gonna be a next best thing so when do you draw the line and just make music with what you have...

[JamesyDame]

Cho. I remember my first time going crate digging. Prior to that I think I may have used youtube or other sites to download albums. $1 records? Damn straight I was there. But that was in 2009. I last went crate digging last year (2011) during the middle of the year and the prices had been put up, it was crazy. I won't go back there. I'll look for other record stores in the city when I've got my money straight. Cos right now being a student it's hard finding money for everything lol. Some good ideas in here re thrift stores and garage sales. Think when I get a car I'll go round. I remember I always used to buy records off trademe, people's old "worthless" (to them) collections. Trademe is like my country's ebay btw. Haven't done that in a while either.

But I have utilised youtube, I've got myself a hiquality downloader and I just go nuts. Also got a few sites where I get a few albums. I don't hate if people use online to get samples. But online doesn't compare to actually going out and finding an obscure record that has dust & skips. The warmth straight from the vinyl is something that really gets lost online. However, new school cats don't mind that as they aren't looking for warmth in their sound. Me I do either/or. I don't really limit myself to one soundscape, but I do have a unique workflow and formula for my beats that stays more or less the same.

I dig online and offline. Don't restrict yourself or limit yourself, you could be sleeping on a gem of a record.

[beatfire1]

I agree with OP, at some point you really need to learn the entire sampling process. Noobies need to try and get a good sound from a hammered old vinyl + crappy mixer + wobbly as turntable. The sample lose a bit of their value when they're presented to you in a folder of mp3's. Pay your dues.