T- racks or waves?

[Xabiton]

well most of these plug-ins we use for mixing are modeled after analog gear. why do you think that is? simply because analog sounds better...if you want the short answer.

also its the mastering engineers job to improve the mix and offer something to the song that the mix engineer cannot. with that said, the most important thing a mastering engineer can offer is superior monitoring and a flatter listening environment. I must admit that these 2 things are even more important to the mastering process than the fancy gear.

I always thought it modeled analog gear because analog gear offered more variety than digital sonically.

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Hey Kev,

You probably know what's up for the most part though! If you know how to mix, mastering isn't like a huge blur or anything!

This video breaks it down to everything that goes into the mastering process.




The more you do it, the better you get, but just like anything in life, it takes practice!

I can mix good enough to get the sound I want but it also helps that I like a raw sound lol. Idk I just never really thought much about mastering outside of it being the final polish on a completed song and something I never dove into. I wouldn't even consider myself a mix engineer though I have had people approach me to mix their stuff it always baffles me when they do.

[ObiK]

I think basic mixing technique is something every producer should have a decent grasp and understanding on.

[Bishop The Mogul]

I love Waves, Ozone and T-racks 3. but all 3 for different stuff.

Bishop The Mogul .com

[ObiK]

Yup, everyone has their choices. Best thing to do is try out the demos and let your own ears decide.

[CPhoenix]

I'm not saying it can't be done. I could certainly do a good ITB master, and I have in the past offered ITB mastering for some of my super broke clients. but would any mastering engineer prefer to use plug-ins over analog? no way

Sounds like a very bold, outdated statement in my opinion.

You're saying software plugins are great for mixing but not for mastering? Pardon my ignorance, but that doesn't make any sense to me... whatsoever. Quality isn't even a serious issue anymore when it comes to software vs. hardware, especially considering most hardware is now digital. Some software is modeled after analog gear to get a certain "sound" or characteristic that the user is looking for, of which the analog gear achieved... not necessarily b/c analog is better.

[ObiK]

I stopped taking him seriously when he stated he used Miroslav Philharmonik for mixing. Everyone picks their tools and is usually passionate about them as well. Kind of like Mac Vs Pc or Chevy Vs Ford. Just try it, I bet you'll like how they sound. The T-Racks demo is free so you have nothing to lose.

[jackbraglia]

Sounds like a very bold, outdated statement in my opinion.

You're saying software plugins are great for mixing but not for mastering? Pardon my ignorance, but that doesn't make any sense to me... whatsoever. Quality isn't even a serious issue anymore when it comes to software vs. hardware, especially considering most hardware is now digital. Some software is modeled after analog gear to get a certain "sound" or characteristic that the user is looking for, of which the analog gear achieved... not necessarily b/c analog is better.

Your ignorance is pardoned

No one ever said they are GREAT for mixing. But ITB mixes can sound just fine so long as the person mixing it knows their shit. (And I'm not bashing digital gear. I use a TC finalizer pretty often.) Also, not all analog gear trumps plug-ins. Of course a good plug-in will still sound wayyyy better than some cheap analog gear. But it should be fairy obvious that the analog gear will sound better than the plug-ins thats being modeled off it

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I stopped taking him seriously when he stated he used Miroslav Philharmonik for mixing. Everyone picks their tools and is usually passionate about them as well. Kind of like Mac Vs Pc or Chevy Vs Ford. Just try it, I bet you'll like how they sound. The T-Racks demo is free so you have nothing to lose.

whats wrong with philharmonik? it sounds great when things are layered properly. I mean, you work for iK, if you see a problem, why haven't you made sure its fixed yet???

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on another note: anytime I say that analog is better than digital in this forum (and this forum ALONE) I get a shit ton of flak for it. Maybe its because most people here are bedroom warriors or rapper/producer wannabe's and have never even touched any high-end gear (let alone heard what it sounds like in an A/B comparison). So what's the deal? You guys trying to justify the fact that you can't afford the stuff? Because saying plug-ins are as good as the analog gear its modeled after...is simply absurd. The UAD stuff (which require DSP chips to run) are the only plug-ins that come close. Also the audiocube is phenomenal sounding. Look that up if you don't know what it is. Its worth every penny.

[moses]

Your ignorance is pardoned
on another note: anytime I say that analog is better than digital in this forum (and this forum ALONE) I get a shit ton of flak for it. Maybe its because most people here are bedroom warriors or rapper/producer wannabe's and have never even touched any high-end gear (let alone heard what it sounds like in an A/B comparison). So what's the deal?

You're wrong. It's all about your arrogant/ignorant/generalizing attitude. Beside your great love for the young passionate people who just started to learn their craft, you must understand that several people who actually do this since a while in depth don't support your opinion, too. We had these discussions a decade years ago - they are pointless. There's no better or worse when comparing apples and peaches, I think everyone with common sense will agree.

You guys trying to justify the fact that you can't afford the stuff? Because saying plug-ins are as good as the analog gear its modeled after...is simply absurd.

I think nobody in this forum ever said that "analog modeled gear" (whatever this marketing term means) sounded "better" than the actual analogue unit it tries to emulate. Such a claim would be ridiculous.

So, I'm not really sure what you are talking about.

We're all experienced enough to know that the digital domain offers possibilities that are totally unknown in the analogue field. Let me mention a few examples:

- Lossless amplification/attentuation. Show me one analogue amplifier that can change the level of incoming audio without adding a -70dB noise imprint, nonlinear distortion, slew-rate limiting and other unwanted things.
- Low distortion limiting (impossible without loss free "look-ahread").
- Perfectly accurate stereo processing. Zero cross-talk. Impossible in the analogue domain. Show me one analogue EQ that doesn't mess with the stereo image.
- Linear phase EQs/crossovers.
- Accurate spectral processing.
- Endless copies of the same processor at no costs.
- Sample accurate automation.
- Perfect total recall.

Again, these are just a few examples. And the reason why people don't really feel confident when a stranger tell them that "analogue is better than digital". Even the most clueless "bedroom warrior" doesn't feel right with your generalizations.

The digital world is more than all these (definitely questionable) emulations of 30year+ old concepts from another world. Look around and you'll find amazing digital tools for all kinds of tasks. Algorithmix, Flux, Fabfilter, Waves. Let's go further an mention melodyne and all the fantastic modern digital synths and samplers.

[Xabiton]

whats wrong with philharmonik? it sounds great when things are layered properly. I mean, you work for iK, if you see a problem, why haven't you made sure its fixed yet???

there is nothing wrong with it besides the fact that you claim to mix with a damn orchestra string workstation. You talk big but seriously i have been doing this music shit for $10 years and have never seen a serious engineer of any sort offer services for $20. Yet you talk this big bad business. I am not an engineer nor have I claimed to be but I know enough about engineering to know that you are full of it. People use what they use because they choose to use it and its usually because its what they like using. Just because someone chooses to work totally ITB does not mean they cannot afford the hardware it might mean they like the flexibility of being able to create a great sounding product for a lot less money and be able to easily recall their work and do non destructive edits for example.

[mwandishi]

Dude said he uses Philharmonic for mixing!! Classic.