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    how many db's should a track be?

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    can somebody tell me this because everytime i make a recording they songs always come out different volumes. also how many db's should the beat and the vocals be?

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    Mixing and mastering man, an art form that takes a little while to get good at.

    Nobody can tell you how loud something should be in the mix unless they can hear it. For every song everything could be different.
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    it's all relative. listen to music.

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    I remember that massive recommended a dB meter, like this one.
    That's how you can check how much your songs differ from each other.

    I wonder how people did that way back in the time era when songs had a max. signal up to -6 or -8dBFS. You can say that in hiphop, pop rnb almost every song goes up to -0.1dBFS, so better equipment you have so harder you can push it, that's what the majors do.
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    You don't push anything WTF are you talking about? That meter does **** if his speakers and such aren't calibrated to unity. That meter is like having a screen door on a submarine and that would be ****ing pointless. In software -18 -24dbfs is 0 it depends on the A/D converter where that is. when mixing it's best to go no higher than -6db but for the sake of headroom I'd say -12dbfs is ideal as your peaks for your master with the volume set at +/- 0. Don't try to go 0dbfs when your mixing cause then your just gonna kill your headroom and ruin your mix. Don't be like Oh it's so low whats wrong, that's ok that's good head room the louder records have been to a professional mastering engineer with great gear and been worked with for that final production sound of that record.
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    Congratulations you completely missed the point and are on fire for nothing. When you turn up the limiter until it goes to the limit or even exceeds it. What is it then called? PUSHING the signal.

    Another thing is, no one on here was talking about MIXING at all, so I don't know where you got that from. We were talking about MASTERING the whole time, about the very last step where you worry about volume. So don't get those basic things twisted and act like you know something better.
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    No ones talking about mixing? well i hate to point out the obvious, but without a mix theres nothing to master, and without a PROPER mix, mastering wont turn out so great, so thats why "Optyx" brought mixing into the picture.

    Also, Optyx is right, that meter might do wonders for some people, but unless you have the room, monitors, Class-A AD/DA converters, basically the perfect setup, that meter wont do much good. Your better off trusting your meters on the screen.
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    Why the hell are yall making this so difficult?!

    IT DEPENDS! You just have to LISTEN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disasster
    No ones talking about mixing? well i hate to point out the obvious, but without a mix theres nothing to master, and without a PROPER mix, mastering wont turn out so great, so thats why "Optyx" brought mixing into the picture.
    The "obvious"? So when someone asks about a midi-controller, you always talk about sound modues? Because it's "obvious" that without a sound module a midi controller is useless? You can go further and talk about monitors because it's "obvious" that you can't hear the sound module without monitors? You also go along and talk about room treatment because it's "obvious" that without the proper room treatment monitors are useless? And all that because someone asked about a midi controller?

    How can you make sense to yourself?

    At the same time no one in here ever said that you can get a good mastering without a good mix. So I really don't know what you guys are reading.(?) Those are things that are logical to everyone. You don't build a house without the proper foundation, so why would you master without the proper mix? Why are you even mentioning those things, when all the guy was asking how he could get the same volume levels on all his songs, so that the listener does not need to level the volume fader on every song on the ablum? Does that even make sense to you?
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    After reading this thread I have a few questions. I primarily make beats as a hobby, but I still want a good sounding finished piece of music. When making beats I usually dont pay much attention to the levels and just turn things up or down depending on how they sound.

    I guess my question is reguarding headroom. In flstudio I just make sure the levels arent peaking for the most part. Does this mean after I make my music and get all the sounds how I like them, I should turn them all down in proportion on the master?

    Also I had a question about "rolling off" sounds. Would this be just using an equalizer or filter to remove unwanted frequencies on things?

    Can someone also explain the relation between dB and volume? For example if I turn down the volume does that automatically mean theres less dBs?

    Thanks in advance, Brandon.
    Last edited by GruKid; 01-14-2008 at 12:28 PM.

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