What are the most important things I should learn?

limiters arent that necessary...if so, they are easy, you will understand them in 2-3 mins...

dunno what those speakers are and what can you hear from them...but my sugestion is not to buy yet those monitors...look for different tutorials on youtube or whereever and when you understand that mixing is like finding the problems like in mathematic and request creativity (not soo much money for not-profi production) so if yo get all that and 100% want to mix/master then buy it...my suggestion is let yourself learn something/anything on that amateur setup and after like 2-3 buy some 'profi' monitors..:)

youtube and i think this forum have good explanations of alot of things...and ofc of eq, which is very important
 
limiters arent that necessary...if so, they are easy, you will understand them in 2-3 mins...

dunno what those speakers are and what can you hear from them...but my sugestion is not to buy yet those monitors...look for different tutorials on youtube or whereever and when you understand that mixing is like finding the problems like in mathematic and request creativity (not soo much money for not-profi production) so if yo get all that and 100% want to mix/master then buy it...my suggestion is let yourself learn something/anything on that amateur setup and after like 2-3 buy some 'profi' monitors..:)

youtube and i think this forum have good explanations of alot of things...and ofc of eq, which is very important

Well the speakers are intended for home theater-they can't even plug into my Audio Interface which already is a problem. I use them for reference but I know I need to get some type of studio monitors soon (I just really want the Yamaha HS8's). Yet, it's going to be awhile before I can purchase those.

Yes, my biggest problem is coming to a realization that there is some kind of problem within my mix. I either can't identify what the problem is or I know and can't fix the problem. Of course this will come with experience and as I learn more.

At least I know that there are 3 things I need to really focus on when doing a mix and that's Leveling, EQ and Compression- I just wasn't sure which one to focus on first.
 
I hear a lot about limiting, and have an idea what it is, but from the looks of it that it's a lot more then just maintaining a signal?

Limiting is simply an extreme form of compression - when normally compression reduces the signals going above the threshold by an amount defined by the ratio, a limiter simply has a ratio so high that it (basically) doesn't let "anything" (unless we're talking about so-called "brickwall" limiters, which theoretically have an infinite ratio, some of the signal still passes) above the threshold. Traditionally a ratio of 10:1 or above is considered limiting.
 
Well the speakers are intended for home theater-they can't even plug into my Audio Interface which already is a problem. I use them for reference but I know I need to get some type of studio monitors soon (I just really want the Yamaha HS8's). Yet, it's going to be awhile before I can purchase those.

Yes, my biggest problem is coming to a realization that there is some kind of problem within my mix. I either can't identify what the problem is or I know and can't fix the problem. Of course this will come with experience and as I learn more.

At least I know that there are 3 things I need to really focus on when doing a mix and that's Leveling, EQ and Compression- I just wasn't sure which one to focus on first.

I don't agree with jocasrb. I went that route myself (long ago) and first spent a few years learning wrong techniques, and when I finally got decent(-ish) speakers UN-learning them.
What you describe in the bolded text, is a typical problem if you don't have monitors. You're just not getting an accurate representation of what's going on in your mix, and on top of that an innaccurate reflection of what you're doing to it with, for instance EQ and compressors. I'd trust the headphones before I'd trust those speakers... but between those you're still kinda goalseeking your end result, which is why I said forget about being too precise or getting that real professional sheen to your tracks for now.

Jocas is right in that you don't have to get expenive monitors right away.
Even budget-monitors will give you a big advantage over what you have now. They'll probably lack the bass, and won't be as clear and complete sounding, but even those HS8's aren't perfect in that regard (especially in a small room you'll be swimming in bass-waves with them). Once you get to those you're also at a point where you need to start to take room treatment and such into account.

Also tutorials will only get you so far... unless you find someone that actually offers a comprehensive course on mixing for free, they're all pretty one-note and limited in scope.... if not plain wrong, stupid, outdated or not applicable to the music you're making. A tutorial on mixing bland rock music isn't gonna help you get that fat Dre sound (going by your name here)... and tutorials claiming to get your that Dre sound will only get you a cheap facsimile of it. They're gonna wax about mid/side processing or parallel compression.. which again, are two techniques where you'll need precise monitoring to even hear what you're doing. And just two of many techniques... period. Tricks. Tutorials won't teach you to listen, or how to be more creative.... these are skills you can learn, but they can't be taught.

So yeah, monitors man.. it's shitty that the first couple of investments you have to make sting like that, but they are truly investments and you'll be glad you did them later on when it's saving you time and getting you better results.
But at the same time, don't get blinded by the gear. I've only just stepped up to the HS8's and have been producing for years. I got pretty good results on my old cheap monitors.
The perfect mix isn't everything either.. there's plenty of perfectly mixed music out there that's bland and banal as fuck. And there's plenty of producers who make perfectly inoffensive mixes for perfectly inoffensive shitty elevator music to put behind pay per view porn in hotels and commercials. That's music no-one gives a shit about. People do care about all those house classics, oldschool hiphop joints, dusty jazz records, punk 7 inchers, techno cassettes and what not... stuff that's decidedly imperfect.
 
can we hear any you work? so maybe we can precisely help you

Here are a few tracks that I've mixed down in the last few days. I tried to get the levels right and kept the "master bus" or "stereo track" to a -13DB level.

Tired Piano - The Bass on this track is terrible to me right now but it's the direction I want to go in (if that makes since ..?).

TiredPiano (-13DB Mix) by Spawntain Beats | Free Listening on SoundCloud

Mijos Grim

MijosGrim (-13DB Mix) by Spawntain Beats | Free Listening on SoundCloud

Again I'm using ATH M50X headphones for my mixing as of now.
 
Limiting is simply an extreme form of compression - when normally compression reduces the signals going above the threshold by an amount defined by the ratio, a limiter simply has a ratio so high that it (basically) doesn't let "anything" (unless we're talking about so-called "brickwall" limiters, which theoretically have an infinite ratio, some of the signal still passes) above the threshold. Traditionally a ratio of 10:1 or above is considered limiting.

I see so can you give me an example of when yourself would use this during a mix? I always hear about limiting used on the "main bus track" to make the track louder- would it be good to use it on individual tracks?
 
I don't agree with jocasrb. I went that route myself (long ago) and first spent a few years learning wrong techniques, and when I finally got decent(-ish) speakers UN-learning them.
What you describe in the bolded text, is a typical problem if you don't have monitors. You're just not getting an accurate representation of what's going on in your mix, and on top of that an innaccurate reflection of what you're doing to it with, for instance EQ and compressors. I'd trust the headphones before I'd trust those speakers... but between those you're still kinda goalseeking your end result, which is why I said forget about being too precise or getting that real professional sheen to your tracks for now.

Jocas is right in that you don't have to get expenive monitors right away.
Even budget-monitors will give you a big advantage over what you have now. They'll probably lack the bass, and won't be as clear and complete sounding, but even those HS8's aren't perfect in that regard (especially in a small room you'll be swimming in bass-waves with them). Once you get to those you're also at a point where you need to start to take room treatment and such into account.

Also tutorials will only get you so far... unless you find someone that actually offers a comprehensive course on mixing for free, they're all pretty one-note and limited in scope.... if not plain wrong, stupid, outdated or not applicable to the music you're making. A tutorial on mixing bland rock music isn't gonna help you get that fat Dre sound (going by your name here)... and tutorials claiming to get your that Dre sound will only get you a cheap facsimile of it. They're gonna wax about mid/side processing or parallel compression.. which again, are two techniques where you'll need precise monitoring to even hear what you're doing. And just two of many techniques... period. Tricks. Tutorials won't teach you to listen, or how to be more creative.... these are skills you can learn, but they can't be taught.

So yeah, monitors man.. it's shitty that the first couple of investments you have to make sting like that, but they are truly investments and you'll be glad you did them later on when it's saving you time and getting you better results.
But at the same time, don't get blinded by the gear. I've only just stepped up to the HS8's and have been producing for years. I got pretty good results on my old cheap monitors.
The perfect mix isn't everything either.. there's plenty of perfectly mixed music out there that's bland and banal as fuck. And there's plenty of producers who make perfectly inoffensive mixes for perfectly inoffensive shitty elevator music to put behind pay per view porn in hotels and commercials. That's music no-one gives a shit about. People do care about all those house classics, oldschool hiphop joints, dusty jazz records, punk 7 inchers, techno cassettes and what not... stuff that's decidedly imperfect.

I agree with you 100% about the youtube tutorials as i've been watching them for years and feel like i'm just chasing my tale and not getting the big picture.

Do you have any recommendations then on some affordable speakers that will get me up and running so I can improve with my mixing?

Again guys I really appreciate all the help. I feel clear and more confident within the last two days! Thank you!
 
I see so can you give me an example of when yourself would use this during a mix? I always hear about limiting used on the "main bus track" to make the track louder- would it be good to use it on individual tracks?

I generally try to do without them, actually :) I know it's common practice nowadays - unfortunately, especially for newbies, to mix straight into a limiter because it basically "allows" you to do just about anything and still keep the master out of the red, but it's a bit like riding a bike with the training wheels on: you don't notice nor learn from your mistakes very well. You also tend to end up with brash and ear-fatiguing mixes, because everything can be REALLY LOUD without actually peaking - which sounds good at first, but yeah...I wouldn't do it until you've got some serious experience under your belt, or if you use it, keep it really light just to catch the odd peak instead of squashing the whole mix. It's an easy way out in a sense, but often leaves a trainwreck of a mix in its trail.

Then again, since so many people do it without having them chops to do a "classically" good mix, it's also become part of the modern electronic sound. People have gotten used to hearing sandwiched mixes, much like there are now a lot of people who prefer the sound of the mp3 (or so I've heard/read) or the sound of cheap earbuds. I guess it's just a good idea to keep this in mind.
 
i have some suggestions about youtubers:

The Recording Lounge (not that amateur level but i think every his video/tutorial is absulute amazing...you will need his channel someday)
The Recording Lounge
- YouTube


Michael White (this guy...maybe he speaks alot but not non-sense...and important both of them are trying to "sketch" you all these things so you cannot be confused :P )
Michael White
- YouTube


also search for David Pensado...he has some videos for begginers and also for advanced producers
 
Take it slow, you'll learn much faster.
Read the manuals to become your own master.

The world of audio is not a road to tread lightly, it takes time to get good and you need days and nights free.
So if you want to learn the right way to go about your daily tasks you need to ask around & experiment with your tools.
Understanding your tools is the key of grasping the aspect involving production.
 
I generally try to do without them, actually :) I know it's common practice nowadays - unfortunately, especially for newbies, to mix straight into a limiter because it basically "allows" you to do just about anything and still keep the master out of the red, but it's a bit like riding a bike with the training wheels on: you don't notice nor learn from your mistakes very well. You also tend to end up with brash and ear-fatiguing mixes, because everything can be REALLY LOUD without actually peaking - which sounds good at first, but yeah...I wouldn't do it until you've got some serious experience under your belt, or if you use it, keep it really light just to catch the odd peak instead of squashing the whole mix. It's an easy way out in a sense, but often leaves a trainwreck of a mix in its trail.

Then again, since so many people do it without having them chops to do a "classically" good mix, it's also become part of the modern electronic sound. People have gotten used to hearing sandwiched mixes, much like there are now a lot of people who prefer the sound of the mp3 (or so I've heard/read) or the sound of cheap earbuds. I guess it's just a good idea to keep this in mind.

I've been really struggling with making my beats sound "full" in the past, and I'm starting to notice that getting my levels right, and using the gain staging method I found on youtube has really helped a lot . But, when I played around with the limiter the other day on the master bus and it definitely got louder, but it was not a good loud imo. I like my music loud but I it sounded ... forced I guess if that makes any sense lol. I rather not take the easy way out like you said as I feel like it'll cause bad habits for myself down the road.
 
i have some suggestions about youtubers:

The Recording Lounge (not that amateur level but i think every his video/tutorial is absulute amazing...you will need his channel someday)
The Recording Lounge
- YouTube


Michael White (this guy...maybe he speaks alot but not non-sense...and important both of them are trying to "sketch" you all these things so you cannot be confused :P )
Michael White
- YouTube


also search for David Pensado...he has some videos for begginers and also for advanced producers

Fasho thank you my dude! Now I have more content to listen to for my commutes to work!
 
Take it slow, you'll learn much faster.
Read the manuals to become your own master.

The world of audio is not a road to tread lightly, it takes time to get good and you need days and nights free.
So if you want to learn the right way to go about your daily tasks you need to ask around & experiment with your tools.
Understanding your tools is the key of grasping the aspect involving production.

Oh yeah I'm having a great time with it even though it can get overwhelming, but taking it slow and overcoming small goals has kept me going. I'm excited every time I get that Eureka moment and my mix sounds better and my confidence goes up. thanks for the advise.
 
This

spend 95% of your time learning how to balance the relative volume of sounds with just the faders. Honestly, the things that make amateur mixes sound bad is mostly in simple balancing. It's amazing how much horrible eq, reverb, delay, compression, etc. You can get away with if you put the faders in the right spots. Conversely, if you don't put the faders in the right spots, no amazing eq, compression, reverb or delay settings will ever make your mix sound decent. Balancing with the faders is the least exciting thing, but it is the most important. Not by a little, but by a lot.

Nearly 20 years full-time in this business. Three #1 records. A few dozen with commercial radio play. Trust me on this. And it is still the thing that i put the vast majority of my effort into to this day.
 
Get hardware aware, that is number one. But I do agree with Chris that most great sounding mixes have the volume faders at the right positions (for good reasons). Huge impact there...
 
everything should have it's own space: Low, Mids and Highs, isolate each sound so they are not competing for space, this will make your mix less "muddy", panning also helps

yea, but then there are those frequencies that come together and create a wall of sound.... some things in phase in the same frequency space can form up captain planet or voltron and smash you in the face so to speak :p
 
yea, but then there are those frequencies that come together and create a wall of sound.... some things in phase in the same frequency space can form up captain planet or voltron and smash you in the face so to speak :p

Overall it is good to be combo aware, meaning being aware of how a certain chain of hardware contributes to a mix and what it sounds like when combining multiple chains (one per sound source). For instance hardware chorus on a slow rate on an electric guitar panned toward a side can add a certain type of sweetness depth and size to a mix and help separate that sound source.

It is also good to think in terms of static vs dynamic, to know which one of those you are working on as you mix and how you need to approach each depending on what you do to each. So you have the more constant sound stage to get right and also the more dynamic sound stage. Very simplified I tend to want to make the static sound stage good sounding first, then when I have a good balance I use compression to duck harsh frequencies. RMS type compression is applied on the more static sound stage and peak type compression is applied on the more dynamic sound stage. On the group tracks you might have some frequency areas that are slightly too compressed in the combination, so you might want a little selective expanding. This type of pretty isolated, selective and focused work tends to sum up into a good sounding mix, especially when you are aware of what levels you need.

It is also very important that the side and mid components sound great in isolation. When multiple elements sound great in isolation, the whole is great sounding, so check as many elements as possible in solo and improve the sound. I also think hardware stereo processing is a must have, as well as various warmth adding hardware. It takes a bunch of gear before you have a big warm well separated sound...

Also ensure the mix is free from clipping distortion.
 
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