Did I mention the Xone:32 rocks! Oh! And I played with the pioner TT thingy it coo to

**(V)onro3** · 07-29-2001

Distinctive, Can you give more info on the company? Is this the first time they came to the audio market. Do you know if it is exclusive to Allen and Heath? I am going to do a search for their website right now. If you know that would be cool.

Angelic, I heard that the new Allen and Heath gear was going to be shown in September. Do you know anything about this? Also, when you mean their new 464 and 62 come standard with it the P and G X-Fader. Do you mean the new mixer to come, or the ones that are out now?

**Angelic DeeJay** · 07-29-2001

well, the 62 had two ver.
the old one with shiny face plate, master out on 100mm fader, and no P&G CF...
so by saying the new one, i mean the ones that are on the market right now...
i know A&H are gonna come out with a 2 ch. mixer! Xone:2...

**Dj Thy** · 07-29-2001

Penny and Giles are synonym to extreme quality, but not only in faders like Dist pointed out.

The faders from Penny & Giles got their reputation mostly off studio consoles. Any respectable mixing console (stage or studio) uses P&G faders (A&H, Soundcraft, SSL, AMS-Neve, ...). Needless to say this means extreme good quality (you can't really say dj'ing mixers are comparable to studio consoles quality-wise. Really they are a level higher).

There are in fact three brand names that make "quality" faders : Noble, ALPS and Penny & Giles. With quality faders I mean, faders designed to last (unlike the "homemade" faders of Gemini, Numark, JB sys and consorts).
If I would rate those faders from good to less good, it would go like : P&G, ALPS and finally Noble.
But yeah it's true, P&G faders usually come on "mixing" mixers, and less on scratch mixers. P&G are way more precise, but also a little more vulnerable (although there's been a lot of effort done to improve that). The xone can have optional P&G xfader, I'd say if you can afford it, go for it!

The first mixers I've seen that could accept P&G faders were... Rodec MX series. You could optionally fit P&G channel faders (instead of the standard ALPS ones) on the MX180/240/34/300 (only channel faders, not xfader, the MX aren't really scratch mixers, xfader isn't used much on Rodec).

And Angelic was right, the mkI Xones had an Alps xfader, the second revision have a P&G one (optional on the 32).

**(V)onro3** · 07-29-2001

WOW, Thy, thanks!!!!

That is what I expected from the impression I received from going to the website. I immediately knew that this was top of line stuff. I am not completely retarded when it comes to this stuff...I just never heard of penny and Giles...mainly because I live in the states. As for the whole skratching thing...I do not consider myself skratch person; I am more of a mixoligist. I just use the skratching as a why to complement my mixing. I do however spend an hour or two a day skratching. I pretty sure the P & G faders can handle that. If not, at least I will know.

Again thanks.

**(V)onro3** · 07-30-2001

So I emailed the peeps at Allen & Heath about the P & G fader replacment and this is what I was told.

Hello,

Many thanks for your emails.

The Penny & Giles crossfader option for the Xone32 uses a 3000 Series P&G
fader, as our Spares department informed you. This is a conductive-plastic
fader instead of the usual carbon track and according to P&G, is good for 1
million cycles plus, has an integral shield and also has replaceable track
and wiper.[snip]

The channel faders used are manufactured by ALPS but are direct faders, not
controlling VCA's.

I hope this is of help. If I can be of further assistance, please let me
know.

Regards,

Mike Clarke
Technical Support
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Here is the link for technical info on the fader

and here is the fader it self! A monster I tell you!

**Angelic DeeJay** · 07-31-2001

so it's not just VCA CF, it's a conductive-plastic VCA CF! damn!

**dj alonzo** · 07-31-2001

Sounds good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**DJ Distinctive** · 07-31-2001

This is a Linear Position Transducer (LPT).

There is one principle that is better and that is LVDT.
The reason is that there is just a magnet that moves inside (or outside) inductive pickups. A giant Cart. !

Virtually no friction & wear. Excellent stability & repeatability + fast response. This is the fader I would make (expensive as hel*)
http://www.flw.com/lvdt_2.htm

**dj laU** · 07-31-2001

Now I just purchased a Xone:62 and got it on July 5th. I'm not sure if it's the new version or old version. It's got the shiny faceplate, but I'm wondering if I have the P &G crossfader. If not, how much does one cost as well as which one I should get, and where to get it from. And also, if it's not the newer version, can i return it to have them get me the newest version considering that I just recently ordered it? Thanks.

Lawrence

**Dj Thy** · 07-31-2001

The old model looks like this

While the new model looks like

The main differences are that the new model doesn't have the shiny faceplate anymore, white knob tops and a rotary master fader instead of a slider. Also it's mentionned under the heaphone jack that it has a P&G crossfader.

If you have the old model, you cannot replace the ALPS xfader with a P&G one (different construction and size).
So if you want the P&G crossfader, you can try to go back to the shop and pray they'll exchange it.