Why The Lord Finesse vs. Mac Miller Lawsuit is Important

[labdummy]

"Blogger/Vlogger Werner von Wallenrod breaks down why the $10 million suitfiled by Lord Finesse against Mac Miller over his use of the “Hip 2 Da Game” beat could have the biggest impact on Hip-Hop production since Grand Upright vs. Warner Bros."

What do you guys think?

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[L_Houdini]

he has a point. but i think we gotta wait until there's a ruling or settlement for us to weigh in the importance.

[DjPolair]

fame > justice

if your famous you'll always have extra rights, you'lll always get away quicker

[901_Rice_Street]

Here is my argument towards sampling and copyright and everything else that I've stuck with for a looooooooooooong time. Copyright law is bullshit!!!! I love it as far as ownership of someone's "work"....so you create something then you own it. Therefore you should have the right to sue the shit out of anybody who uses "your work" and makes money or even gains exposure from your "work" especially when you don't know about it. Hip hop uses the excuse that it is part of hip hop to use beats and blah blah blah...which to me is again...BULLSHIT!!!! Unless you are a real authentic DJ putting a MIXTAPE TOGETHER. It's a different ball game when the internet gives you access to billions of people...unlike just having small cities in the south know about you because of rap city, Yo MTV raps, ect. THAT IS WHERE THE BULLSHIT COMES IN. People want to use the "IT'S HIP HOP" excuse in a time where a nobody can use other people's "work" and gain a shit load of exposure. The shit is not right. I don't condone using other people's instrumentals in your "mixtapes" to gain exposure...never have.....if you a DJ then cool. People are playing DJ today...but they ain't no got damn DJ.

Now.....back to copyright laws and their bullshit. There is no way in hell people can use the bullshit side of copyright law to defend a person who samples.....the only reason is if they totally looping obiosly known parts of a sample. The law should allow people to creatively use any record they want. CREATIVELY.....chop it up, screw it, reverse it.....make that record your own. A Jazz musician should except that his music has been made in the creative process of another song in another got damn genre and quite running to the bullshit copyright law as their means of getting something out of it. Because as soon as a person chops that sample...it's their work..not your work....but copyright law doesn't give you that much freedom creatively. It leaves a loophole for investigation on samples that the original wouldn't even notice it was used.

The shit disappoints me because the younger generation JUST DON'T GET IT. We will allow our creative freedom to get more and more diminished because you as an artist care less......and use "IT IS WHAT HIP HOP IS ALL ABOUT" excuse to just use somebody's work without their permission or nothing. You can't compare the two....it's dumb to even argue it....use copyright law to argue it is even dumber to me because copyright law doesn't make 100% sense. How are you going to use somebody else's HIP HOP beat for your HIP HOP song without them knowing about it? That is different that taking a small piece of a Jazz record and putting drums on it. THEN ON TOP OF THAT YOU WOULD BE BITING TO DO THE SAME GOT DAMN THING IN A BEAT. You would be a sucka......and being a sucka is cool today...you can hide behind the law to defend being a sucka. What happened to being SUCKA FREE?

None of this is in defense of Lord Finesse. He is a sucka for making this such a big deal instead of calling his ass out. BUT YOU CAN'T CALL NOBODY OUT TODAY BECAUSE 98% ARE SUCKAS. The only way to beat a SUCKA is to be a SUCKA. 10 million dollars is not what he wants.....come on yall...he is making a BIG STATEMENT. Wrong time to try and make that statement being that he is suppose to collab with dude..(I heard..IDK..they say).

BUT MAN...WE GOT TO STOP WITH THIS SUCKA SHIT. Sampling should have better rules in copyright law. A dude shouldn't have to clear a sample to use it creatively..that is BULLSHIT. And a lot of people don't see that bullshit. It's different than Kanye taking a no name person beat and putting a mustache on that shit. He should be called out as a SUCKA for the shit.....but he can't...because yall don't know what SUCKA mean today.

FUUCK TE INTERNET. I hope they burn the whole internet down. I hope Cable T.V destroys the internet on a social media basis. I can't wait til the net becomes extinct.

[as20gp]

i just dont understand Lord Finesse's Beef

his lawyers mustve never heard of the term "derivative works"

Derivative work - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Moral of the story is: Don't use other peoples music, even if you ask them for permission to use it. Because when you start making millions of dollars they'll have selective amnesia and want to sue you

[901_Rice_Street]

^^^^Substantial similarity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ridiculus]

Wow so now you can't even pay homage (when you're upcoming) and get famous after because it's deemed low, weak, offensive what have you? Jeeez....

[901_Rice_Street]

[/COLOR]Moral of the story is: Don't use other peoples music, even if you ask them for permission to use it. Because when you start making millions of dollars they'll have selective amnesia and want to sue you

True. Puffy knows about that.
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Wow so now you can't even pay homage (when you're upcoming) and get famous after because it's deemed low, weak, offensive what have you? Jeeez....

[xXx_Dugan_Fire_xXx]

The law should allow people to creatively use any record they want. CREATIVELY.....chop it up, screw it, reverse it.....make that record your own. A Jazz musician should except that his music has been made in the creative process of another song in another got damn genre and quite running to the bullshit copyright law as their means of getting something out of it. Because as soon as a person chops that sample...it's their work..not your work....but copyright law doesn't give you that much freedom creatively.

That is different that taking a small piece of a Jazz record and putting drums on it.

Sampling should have better rules in copyright law. A dude shouldn't have to clear a sample to use it creatively..that is BULLSHIT.

So b/c you produce music . . . you should be given a pass when using other peoples music creatively? That shit doesn't make any sense. I guarantee if you were on the shit end of that stick you'd be tossing flags all over the field.

Taking a "piece" of a record, regardless of size, you'd still want every red cent that you'd be entitled to if it made someone else famous . . .

Your opinion on copyright law is biased. You want it to protect "your" music but not somebody else's? That's retarded . . .

[901_Rice_Street]

^^^^#1. I make a song. Somebody else purchase my song only to use a guitar lick from it to create thei own work.......I wouldn't be a little bytch about it and nit pick about the person using my shit. That's some punk shit. Using copyright law to my advantage. I'm happy to hear how he came up with such a genius work...and damn he used one of my licks.....could've used any lick in the world. The hell I want to get money from that. I don't even have to know about the shit.

#2. I make a beat. Somebody records the shit from FP like a little hoe ass dude, uses my beat to either rap over the instrumental...or take a section of it with no drums (yet my whole composition is looped the same)...he takes that and put some drums on it and sells it on soundclick. That's that hoe shit.

#3. DJ spins a song of mine on a mixtape...chopping and scratching along with other songs...go for it.

#4. Fake ass DJ rips my shit from youtube along with other music and puts out some shit bootleg shit with no scratching, no blending, no nothing......Fake DJ top youtube picks...for $5 a pop. Shouting everybody out on the shit too...."SHOUTS OUT TO RICEORONI..SHITS DOPE!!!". Naw nigga......that's that hoe shit.

You missing my MFing point got dammit!!! What are samplers used for? They are creating samplers left and right...even demostrate it's use with a classic drum break (that I'm sure they didn't clear). Yall might as well give hip hop up then got dammit! Majority of hip hop drums that are not from a drum machine were sampled......that means if people wanted to really nit pick...they can say..YOU USED MY DRUM BREAK TO MAKE THAT KICK AND THAT SNARE. But the loop around that is a lot of software comes with those drums chopped up....so that is one defense of that. And what the fuuck I'm saying is chopping up a drum break and using it is the same as chopping up a MFing guitar riff and doing something with. SO............WHY SHOULD I GET MAD OR TRY TO SUE A DUDE THAT CHOPPED THAT SECTION OF A SONG TO CREATE SOMETHING? I don't even need to know that he used my shit. But at the same time....I shouldn't be able to notice that he did use my shit on that top 10 MFing song either. That shit need to be his own creation.

A dude that does house music wants to use my song......if I would never notice he used my song..why the FUUCK would I care? Yet at the same time if he made his house tune obvious and is making serious money with it without asking me or me knowing....then I'm on youtube hearing this punk talking about the creation of the popular song and it is a recognizable loop of my song on youtube that only has 1,000 views....I want his MFing ass on a plate on my kitchen table....got dammit!

It's all about respect. You using somebody's shit...and want to use the PAY HOMAGE lie...that is that bullshit.....unless they gave you permission. And permission should be on some kiddy bullshit. Both people should know the exact direction....instead of the lack of communication on purpose. "Well....you didn't say I couldn't do this if I used it"..........that's that fuuck shit. You knew good and damn well your intentions...but play silent because the person just might say no..if I don't say..he can argue it later. That's that shit daughters do to their dad right there. Is that how dudes handling they business?



I wouldn't sue me. The shit is my work. But I have enough respect to not do anything with it other than have fun with my FP fam. Best believe if I did something serious with it...I would do what I can to make sure he knows about it. Some of my other stuff.......I wouldn't tell nobody shit....because they wouldn't know anyway....because I chopped the shit in a million pieces.