Why don't more music websites require auditions for sign up?

[N.I.BEATZ]

isk2009,

I'm telling you right now, you are wasting time chasing PMP & Soundclick. I'm telling cause I know the other way works. It works faster, smarter and easier.

Most companies are more worried about the pay first.
That is what I have saying on here. I never stood by that pay first model cause you have no idea how the back end will be done.

Since you mentioned PMP, I am sure one of the PMP people on here will give another take.

[j.troup]

Ah I see what you're saying. But what about a website like PMP? I know they drive away a lot of traffic as it is because of the $50 fee, but they still do very well. I don't know their current traffic level but how much could that audition format hurt them?

I see how Pumpaudio can manage tho. Since they get a 70% cut of all the deals that go through and the clients paying BIG bucks, that equals a lot of return for them.

PMP's fee is monthly. Plus those ads that you see running on the site...cost MONEY.


Those aren't just google ads. People paid to place those ads...like a commercial on TV.

[N.I.BEATZ]

That is why people need to realize they are about getting the revenue.
Instead of focusing on a primary. Like a Pump-Audio does.

Pump Audio is not worried about no ads.
They are worried about the bigger picture.

[Isk2009]

Alright, and I wasn't bringing this thread up so I could moan and complain about the number of people on soundclick, I was just curious as to what was stopping them from adopting the same practice as PumpAudio

[SwahO]

Isk2009, I had questions like you did about 6 months ago. Mainly it boils to diff business models and ideology. You got one guy thinking like McDonalds (serv a billion customers daily and get $$ with cheap and easily accessible platforms) then you got the VIP restaurants like Pumpaudio etc who think on a bigger picture and more exclusive scale.

P.s PumpAudio IS SLOW. Took about 3 months for them to accept my audition. I sent in more music and now they are reviewing it and categorizing it. (I bet this is another 3+ months) I submitted in January. If I land any cool placements this year tho I'll keep FP posted.

[Isk2009]

^ yeah I remember reading your story about Pump a while back. I kept that in mind thru the process. I'll be looking forward to hearing any sucess stories from you bruh.

[Xabiton]

Mp3.com used to do this actually. Mp3.com was the shit back in 99-2003 soundclick stepped right into mp3.com's spot after they got shut down in 2004. Now sites like these think like businesses and for their business its in their best interest to take money from whoever is offering it.

[SilentKillah]

I just sent in my audition to be accepted onto pumpaudio.com yesterday and I was wondering why more music websites like PMP or SC don't give that format a try.

They could still charge their standard join fees but prior to that they could require a user that wants to join to send in two audition mp3s. Then have a group of judges or something similar decide whether or not your audition is good enough for you to join. If you pass then they could ask for the $10 or $50 or just let em in if its a free account. On the surface it seems like that could be a very effective filter and reduce saturation.

But I guess they're after the cash and if a dummy with sucky beats wants to pay up to sell nothing then that's their problem.

I know there are holes here and there What do yall think?

One simple reason. PMP is about making a profit out of those that are willing to pay out that $50.00 per month. Pumpaudio actually has connections in the TV industry that they SHOP your beats to. They don't want to shop crappy beats... they want a good product. They also don't require you to pay up front, because they KNOW that they can license your beats. PMP doesn't care about the user... only that they make a profit off of the users regardless of whether the tracks are used.

EDIT:... I'm not necessarilly bashing PMP though, because if your work is good and you use the tools well, you can sell. It's just less likely that they will sell because there are no filters, and nobody who knows someone that is looking for this type of beat. It's more of a chance game. Not that Pumpaudio isn't as well, but your chances are higher to get placed.

[[F_or_DEAF]]

That number gets to stay there for the WOW factor

interesting point...

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sites have to have a lot of members and can't really turn people away

wow...

IRONIC that a "QUALITY / FILTER" can be COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE...jesus fukcing christ

[biggrome]

PMP has some filters, you don't get featured if you don't grind and have a presentable product... sure you can sign up for the site but you won't get promotion from PMP unless your music and presence stands out against other members. They encourage people to have good videos, good logo's and artwork, great music and to promote themselves... the people that do those things are more visible to site traffic via the featured player and the featured producers line up. If you don't do those things... you just have a page on their site. Soundclick has a shotty VIP system where if you pay you'll get more perks even if your music is trash. Kinda crazy but I can see their stance too... he who pays the most, gets the most... and it's their site so they can do whatever they want.

Pretty much it seems like PMP leaves YOUR BUSINESS in YOUR HANDS... if you want somebody to go and get you placements... then maybe PMP isn't for you.

PMP is where the big boys are, I doubt if 11th graders are going to go through the process of trying to contact somebody on there with only $20 to offer. So if you have $20 beats, there's a site for that. If you want to be part of an exclusive club where only accepted members get to play, there's a site for that. If you don't want ads all over your page and access to track dumps and the ability to shine amongst other HOT producers, there's a site for that.

Think about it... if producers with a track record are next to you on a site, don't you think the people looking to buy music on that site have more money than people looking for music on a site full of people with no track record. Do you think anybody looking to buy music would sign up on the PMP as a BUYER with $20 in their pocket?

It's like an NBA scout looking at college players vs. A captain in a pick up game deciding who he wants on his team... they all play basketball but one situation will have more of a chance to turn into something good.

... if you wanted to read Tweets all day you can do that too or you can just submit straight to the track dumps. One takes about 2 minutes for multiple opportunities and the other takes about 2 - 3 days for one opportunity (that you might miss if you go to eat dinner).

You are your own business and marketing dept... McDonalds doesn't have the best burgers... you just know about 'em moreso than you do Herfy's burgers (Small NW chain). McDonalds doesn't wait for you to say "Tell me about your burgers" and have their burgers sitting under a heatlamp they just bombard you with sales pitches about their burgers... and you end up going there.

Slang your burgers (beats). Are you inspired?

I got kids n ish, I really don't have time to cook burgers anymore... I bbq everynow n then though.

^^^^ Food analogies come through again... just trying to keep the discussion alive to burn up some of this Friday.