Punjabi MC and HipHop's State

**DOVESKI** · 08-27-2003

Originally posted by Clockwerk
It seems like producers are reaching outside hiphop to add to it. My question is, how does this make you feel?

No offense, but are you a retard? Hip-hop music is all about taking the best of the breaks from every type of music out there and incorparting into a format to flow to. Aint no big deal, and right now middle eastern and mainly indian rhythms are hot just like a couple years back the latin thing was hot.

As far as what Ike was saying about the Triton, I think that is whats wrong with hip hop, every damn song sounds the same, because every one uses the same keyboard, at least witrh sampling you have more flexibility, after all whats the difference between using a patch on your Triton and sampling a one second rhodes hit from a crusty old record with your ASR. Nothing really.

**kenworth** · 08-27-2003

"you must learn to control your anger" says the mysterious indian from mystery men "or your anger will control you"

ahhhhh.,lets reverse some more phrases.,we can all become pshychologists!

**Killjoy** · 08-27-2003

nevermind.

**Clockwerk** · 08-27-2003

Breaks were essentially taken from soul/funk records in the beginning. Traditional hiphop used these breaks and usually hits or samples from mostly James Brown records. No, I am not a retard. Yes, offense taken. You took what I said and totally flipped it into something different. What I was trying to say is that it does bother some people when hiphop diffuses further and further away from where it was first started. Lately producers _are_ reaching further and further away from where hiphop was based. Two turntables, a break beat and a mic. Believe it or not there are people who are severly pissed off that hiphop has shifted from its raw form. I was asking if it bothered people that other cultures music were being used and no, It doesnt both me. The genre in the golden age had mostly stuck to sampling funk/soul and jazz. Oh and if people learned how to mess with presets we wouldnt have the Triton problem. You also have to remember tho that A&R execs only want to here a production that is totally new, or something that sounds current. Triton is industry standard for current, just like the crappy old Roland D-50 that I have was back in the 80s. They'll move on to another keyboard soon enough.

**DOVESKI** · 08-27-2003

my bad.

**kenworth** · 08-27-2003

dont pick faults with other people or your faults will pick at you
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

**Rebellion** · 08-27-2003

Originally posted by Clockwerk
It seems like producers are reaching outside hiphop to add to it. My question is, how does this make you feel?

Nothing is outside of Hip Hop, its an ever changing thing which means it will never die, adaptable is the word.. Hip Hop adapts to suit current trends... Ike said it all really

**stickman_shauno** · 08-27-2003

I think REbellion made sense in the post before this one. It's everchanging, and that's a good thing. It won't be long before Fip-Fop goes al glitch and IDM on us, that will be a sifght to witness.

**kaliyl** · 08-27-2003

I dont agree with most of you. I think teenage girls are dictating the direction hip-hop is heading in. To me, its not evolution when somebody stumbles upon another genre and fuses into hip-hop, and then for the next two years, youve got to suffer through endless copycats. Yeah, the golden era of hip-hop was more raw, cuz real men like Rakim, KRS, and JERU were runnin it, and dictating their own music. It was more about the Rhymes(which had more substance) then just about the beat, like it is now. Thats why back then, if you sucked, you couldnt hang. Now, you got all these garbage M.C's gettin on and stayin on because they "Look Good", and because their beats are "Jiggy". Most of these cats on now wouldnt even have made it on during the golden era. When men was runnin the show. The reason why producers sampled mainly funk/soul and jazz, was because it was still rooted in Black culture, the beats, as well as the rhymes. Now, its rooted in every culture except one, AFRICAN. I havent heard nobody fusin hip-hop with African beats, not since Jungle Brothers. Like Primo said, "Hip-hop is wack right now". Its got to come back to its roots one day, or else the tree will die. No doubt!

**Rebellion** · 08-28-2003

Originally posted by kaliyl
Now, its rooted in every culture except one, AFRICAN. I havent heard nobody fusin hip-hop with African beats, not since Jungle Brothers.

There are quite a few tunes out using African samples, Wyclef uses alot and Busta uses a few. in fact, to really delve into that issue alot of riddims are used from countries like Africa and the Carrib.