Iceboy talks about creditbility(golden information right here)

[JAMESRRTT]

Alot of Iceboy's advice is 1 sided. You can't properly "teach the right way" when you only understand your way.

He has a lack of knowledge in the lane he chooses to criticize. That comes off as negative denial based on lack of insight.

"Since I don't get model bychez and drive fancy cars and sell millions of records, something's wrong with what they do, what I do is right". I'm not saying it's his intension to come off like that, just saying that's how it looks.

Kinda odd since he originally implied he was the highest paid producer on soundclick. That would put him ahead of guys like Kane Beats, Johnny Juliano, ect. meaning he should know something about the things he insists on avoiding.

I wish him the best in his endeavors, just feel like he is inadvertantly leading alot of guys down the wrong path because he's not quite sure of the outcome himself. I hope he genuinely believes the stuff he's saying and not just rambling for attention. But it's still full of self-destructive information either way.

The highest payed producer video was sarcasm fam, It was because he was tired of hearing about all the lies, he wanted certain producers to back up their claims by showing paypal records to prove him wrong

I believe in his advice.

deranged weren't you signed to a label at one time? whats your outlook on being signed to a label?

[mwandishi]

oh sh_ ice is back. First Chief now Ice.

[as20gp]

I agree sir, he needs a hd camera



like what sir?

well i mean fact of the matter is, hes tryna sell his service, hes trying to sell something. Thats what its all about at the end of the day. The Sale. Its all about the sale of his product. But unless you signed those deals, you dont know the ins and outs of being signed. I highly doubt Iceboy got a big deal offered to him. The music doesnt match up and despite what we believe of major labels, from what ive heard he's not touching some of the cats ive heard signed and indie.

but like DeRanged said, its 1 sided advice to lure you to buy his product. I get the message though, you wanna be able to survive on your own two. you dont wanna sign to a label and then if the label goes under (which could happen especially now) that youre assed out and dont know what to do. But that doesnt take into account all the connects and relationships you built while signed

if a company that hires 200 individuals goes under, you think those 200 individuals will disappear off the planet, you can link with them still, no one can ever take your network from you. Hence why your network is your net worth. You dont think a signed producer has a better chance of getting in contact with artists.. with or without a label. Also more engineers, more studios Theres still a lot of opportunities out there.

i just feel like its very one sided to lure people into buying his product and things like that. the whole "yea i couldve signed my deal, but im here helping ya'll"

theres a saying in the music business.. "Your first deal is gonna be your worst deal" Look at Hit Boy. i remember when hit boy came up.. signed to Polow was getting a bunch of records placed on decent selling albums, then Polow situation fell through, and he was stuck.. now look Hit Boy is probably the most popular producer out now.

just cause you sign a bad deal, doesnt mean its the end of the world. You just wanna protect yourself.

im just not with the whole selling basic info concept, not Iceboy, not Postman, not none of those. You sell things that are valuable to the person who is making em, not what the customer deems valuable.

i drop the same stuff these guys sell for 60 bucks in threads on here, for free. Theres certain things of course id charge for. Man im in the process of getting a producer on here a pub deal with one of the most popular hip hop producers right now (cant say his name cause he hasnt come out officially saying hes doing the pub deal situation just yet, but soon), or at least trying to. And im gonna get my commission for sure. I can shop peoples records if they were dope, i reach out to producers from here all the time. That type of stuff you charge, because thats valuable stuff, thats stuff that i can use to benefit myself, but out of the goodness of my heart am offering others the opportunities.

but telling somebody how to sell more beats? or how to market themselves? How to get traffic to their websites? things like that? thats nothing

usually because most of the problems are easy fixes and it comes down to making better music. So how can i sit and charge somebody 60 bucks for a DVD to just tell them make better music.

[JAMESRRTT]

well i mean fact of the matter is, hes tryna sell his service, hes trying to sell something. Thats what its all about at the end of the day. The Sale. Its all about the sale of his product. But unless you signed those deals, you dont know the ins and outs of being signed. I highly doubt Iceboy got a big deal offered to him. The music doesnt match up and despite what we believe of major labels, from what ive heard he's not touching some of the cats ive heard signed and indie.

but like DeRanged said, its 1 sided advice to lure you to buy his product. I get the message though, you wanna be able to survive on your own two. you dont wanna sign to a label and then if the label goes under (which could happen especially now) that youre assed out and dont know what to do. But that doesnt take into account all the connects and relationships you built while signed

if a company that hires 200 individuals goes under, you think those 200 individuals will disappear off the planet, you can link with them still, no one can ever take your network from you. Hence why your network is your net worth. You dont think a signed producer has a better chance of getting in contact with artists.. with or without a label. Also more engineers, more studios Theres still a lot of opportunities out there.

i just feel like its very one sided to lure people into buying his product and things like that. the whole "yea i couldve signed my deal, but im here helping ya'll"

theres a saying in the music business.. "Your first deal is gonna be your worst deal" Look at Hit Boy. i remember when hit boy came up.. signed to Polow was getting a bunch of records placed on decent selling albums, then Polow situation fell through, and he was stuck.. now look Hit Boy is probably the most popular producer out now.

just cause you sign a bad deal, doesnt mean its the end of the world. You just wanna protect yourself.

im just not with the whole selling basic info concept, not Iceboy, not Postman, not none of those. You sell things that are valuable to the person who is making em, not what the customer deems valuable.

i drop the same stuff these guys sell for 60 bucks in threads on here, for free. Theres certain things of course id charge for. Man im in the process of getting a producer on here a pub deal with one of the most popular hip hop producers right now (cant say his name cause he hasnt come out officially saying hes doing the pub deal situation just yet, but soon), or at least trying to. And im gonna get my commission for sure. I can shop peoples records if they were dope, i reach out to producers from here all the time. That type of stuff you charge, because thats valuable stuff, thats stuff that i can use to benefit myself, but out of the goodness of my heart am offering others the opportunities.

but telling somebody how to sell more beats? or how to market themselves? How to get traffic to their websites? things like that? thats nothing

usually because most of the problems are easy fixes and it comes down to making better music. So how can i sit and charge somebody 60 bucks for a DVD to just tell them make better music.

I agree and disagree with some of the things in your post

also I just wanna say I appreciate what your doing for the upcoming producers

also, Iceboy gives out free info too, you can also call him and ask him anything and he'll tell you for free. I remember him saying if you pay 199 to get into the producer firm you'll get information quicker and on a constant basis, but If you only watch my youtube videos, slower but eventually the advice from the firm will be in the youtube vids for free

[as20gp]

lol its all good, ima "upcoming producer" too, i just want to get money and other folks to get money as well

[DjPolair]

''he talks about how becoming a super producer will ruin your life''

what type of negative BULLsh.. is that ?

this guys is fairly succesful on ****in soundclick, that has nothing to do with ''superproducer'' at ALL

how is he entitled to talk intelligently on the subject ?

[JAMESRRTT]

''he talks about how becoming a super producer will ruin your life''

what type of negative BULLsh.. is that ?

this guys is fairly succesful on ****in soundclick, that has nothing to do with ''superproducer'' at ALL

how is he entitled to talk intelligently on the subject ?

calm down polar, he was just talking about his experience with a label

he said he had to constantly keep asking the label for money whenever he wanted to do something

which one would you rather do? sell beats on soundclick and have your own money or constantly keep asking the label for money when you want to go out and buy something?

[DjPolair]

calm down polar, he was just talking about his experience with a label

he said he had to constantly keep asking the label for money whenever he wanted to do something

which one would you rather do? sell beats on soundclick and have your own money or constantly keep asking the label for money when you want to go out and buy something?

id rather be in a basement like alchemist making beats all day, having a good reputation, have some dope rappers who regularly buy beats and respect my prices, so i can make a damn living, that's my choice or goal or whatever, i think there are other ways than being a labels b-tch or struggling with soundclick

[JAMESRRTT]

I think there are other ways than being a labels b-tch or struggling with soundclick

can you name some?

[DjPolair]

can you name some?

like i said, be independent, move to a city where its at, build a good reputation and sell beats privately to rappers you've came in contact with, they come to your crib, they give ya the notes and leave with the beat on the cd, old school, trustworthy, and everybody's happy