How come EDM music progreses and not hiphop?

most of EDM is straight biting Hiphop and funk (in which hiphop came from)

just see the genre that EDM heads claim they invented "Trap" and "Funk Step" and "Twerk"
 
Global-ness...

It's not the States vs. The World anymore. Europeans are more educated than most current Americans.... they come here... work their way up... control the programming.

Saw this coming in 1995. Our songs are no fun, no good song writers. I was in a studio once with people telling me "German Power", I had no idea what they were talking about, ha. Their clubs were lazer light shows, vodka, thugz, BMW's... take takeover began a long time ago.
 
OMP said:
Global-ness...

It's not the States vs. The World anymore. Europeans are more educated than most current Americans.... they come here... work their way up... control the programming.

Saw this coming in 1995. Our songs are no fun, no good song writers. I was in a studio once with people telling me "German Power", I had no idea what they were talking about, ha. Their clubs were lazer light shows, vodka, thugz, BMW's... take takeover began a long time ago.
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Back in '95, the primary lyrical EDM was House. Technobass had a bit, but not always. Techo rarely had lyrics. I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

In '95, German clubs were play a shitload of Detroit Techno. Germany's biggest label for electronic music, Tresor, stayed releasing Detroit artists AND their club, Tresor Berlin, showed a whole lotta love to Detroit DJ's.
 
I think it's hilarious when you ask about evolving and compare rap music and electronic music.
Let's see, rap started with a few musicians replaying records to sampling them directly...to now, kids playing cheesy synthesizers and making their music from scratch...

To EDM/disco following a similar path to become derivative music made using samples.
And worse NOW: it's producers and DJs playing EFFECTS.

Whoever said it was apples and oranges was mostly partially correct.
There's RAP music and disco with vocals over it and then there's instrumental EDM - which is a far stretch to compare that -to ONLY the music behind rap songs.

When something evolves, usually the earlier version dies off.
Disco and house music is still in existence, just not as popular...
Who's out here still making new 80s rap songs?

And just like science there's never any evidence of Evolution, only DE-evolution as aspects and features are lost.
Lost is the TRUE disco diva vocalist. It's now autotune and effects and...samples....

Gone is the rap tone control, it's all mumbling and non-chalant bravado called swag.
Hand-held phoned-in deliveries. Thoughtful lyrics speaking about issues and timely subjects is replaced by the lowest denominator.

Sample packs replaced a vinyl collection.
Googling blogs replaced crate digging.

The formula is out there and EVERYONE is forced to follow or not play in any significant way.
Look at the top ten lists of every genre- it's usually considered popular crap.
Popular, but crap none the less.

Everything is getting cheaper, more disposable and we are conditioned to live for a temporary experience.
Nothing is designed to grow or allowed to last.
 
Cause EDM is mostly about the instrumental before lyrics or delivery.

Imagine if hip hop was about the beat ONLY, and not the rapper, and you can see that sound wise it progressed too.

Its the rapping that needs progrees, the hip hop sound is allright
 
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Just Clauz said:
Cause EDM is mostly about the instrumental before lyrics or delivery.

Imagine if hip hop was about the beat ONLY, and not the rapper, and you can see that sound wise it progressed too.

Its the rapping that needs progrees, the hip hop sound is allright
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This is why I have been following producers more than I have rappers.

People like Gaslamp Killer, Blockhead, Prefuse73 and so on make full soundscapes in the hip hop vein (Gaslamp more experimental though).
It isn't that the music hasn't evolved, it is that the average persons scope of artists is narrowed to the point of only what is promoted on radio or in games is what most are listening to.

As you said, the lyrics are not progressing and in some cases it is even back sliding, but if you scratch beneath the surface there is a segment of underground that is very progressive and lyrical...but even that is beginning to get dumbed down.
 
goldeneagle said:
Agreed, he's probably my favorite producer of all time because of his versatility. Went from space-like sounding beats in the early 2000s to producing for.... Ed Sheeran? Either way, Pharrell is good shit.



Skrillex put out an album just recently but I haven't heard any of it on the radio at all. Maybe dubstep's (or at least Americanized brostep's or what not) time in the sun has come and passed?

As for Deadmau5, I think he just released a new album but I haven't checked it out yet. Seems like he's getting a little cynical about the whole EDM scene though.
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Wholeheartedly disagree with your misinformation on the longevity of "EDM". If you're going to talk about "rave culture" in the 90s and EDM in the same sentence you should NOT be talking about the subject at all.

"EDM" is an Americanised term to describe the heavily commercialised electronic music crazes in America, such as trap, electro house and brostep. Artists such as Mustard, Hardwell and Skrillex fall under these genres. NOTHING FROM 90s RAVE CULTURE IS SYNONYMOUS WITH EDM NOWADAYS. Nothing. It's essentially a different genre of music.

The rave culture of the 90s had way more soul and feeling than the robot wars of "EDM" nowadays. Two completely different things.

Now if you said deep house, tech house, techno, trance etc. have been around for a long time, and didn't say "EDM", I wouldn't feel so violated.
 
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The rapper Tech n9ne when working on a new album/mixtape, he searches globally for producers for his tracks. Like sometimes he even gets foreign hip-hop producers. And if you listen to Tech N9nes music, Hes got some really unique, diverse hip-hop instrumentals. That they REALLY sound different from each other, and they arent duplicates or recycled. So it shows if you think theirs a lot of hip-hop producers that are unoriginal, you just have to get past the dirt before you find the GOLD (The INNOVATIVE beat producers) and there is some really good producers out their.
 
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Wallengard said:
For all it's worth.. I personally think electronic music is regressing.
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I read an article that said Skrillex is a nerd with a social disorder. Wow!!! That says alot for him as well as the direction of where you can expect electronic music to go. Very geeky, non urban etc... Sounds like the video game crowd is getting into producing. Dudes that never had a girlfriend never spent a day in a club, never danced in their life making dance music. Interesting.
 
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I read an article that said Skrillex is a nerd with a social disorder. Wow!!! That says alot for him as well as the direction of where you can expect electronic music to go. Very geeky, non urban etc... Sounds like the video game crowd is getting into producing. Dudes that never had a girlfriend never spent a day in a club, never danced in their life making dance music. Interesting.
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I know a big time gamer and anime fan. He makes amazing chip tune edm style music. Just because he didn't go to clubs doesn't mean he ain't dance by himself. Dude was good
 
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