I can smell your butthurt from across the ocean
Im going to bed, maybe Ill point out the obvious flaws in your arguments tomorrow.
when did that begin, approximately???
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(in your opinion)
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which is exactly why i posted the:
FP BLACK members / FP WHITE members thread...
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WTF is wrong with Adidas
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/user/ZepaTV
How African-Americans and Africans-in-America view eachother
this article pretty much sums it up.
"To forgive and forget— Africans invented that. Many Africans don’t even remember the Europeans and colonization let alone hold them accountable for the woes of the continent and her people. So slavery and a history of discrimination an African-American may give as the reason for their current situation simply doesn’t hold water to us. We don’t know enough about psychology to know about PTSD (Posttraumatic Stress Disorder) or sociology to know about the correlation between the auction block and the ghetto, plantation and the prison system. To us it doesn’t matter what your grandfather couldn’t do, it’s what you can (and wouldn’t) do."
"To be without a job in America is an abomination to the African-in-America. So when we look at African-Americans unemployed en masse, we don’t see racial demons at play. We can’t; we have not been bred to see these things. We don’t know racism…except maybe if we are from South Africa. What we know is this: if you want and work hard for it, nothing will stop you from getting it. If they try, they will fail. You may need to work harder, harder than others; but if that’s what it takes, then that’s what you give. That’s what we give. Why can’t they?"
"But perhaps the most seethed resentment many Africans-in-America have toward African-Americans is a personal one. Forget not being welcomed with open arms, each African-in-America has at least a story of an early encounter with one or more African-Americans that left him/her feeling less than brotherly-loved. If you come here young enough to attend elementary and/or high school, to your surprise while many White kids are at least cordial with you, it’s the African-Americans that make fun of you, your people and where you come from; they are the most ignorant of all that you are (and thought they too were). Personally, it was my African-American classmates in high school that called me Kunta Kinte, laughed at my Payless shoes, and asked me if I lived on tress where I came from."
good read from the website regardless, but you can google "Haitian views on African Americans, Jamaican views on African Americans".. its all the same
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Invisible Communities, Part 4: Haitians Say They’re Haitian, Not African-American | WBUR
“If you’re in Haiti and you look at the black community here, what do you see? It’s hip-hop,” says Alix Cantave, the associate director of the Trotter Institute for the Study of Black Culture at the University of Massachusetts Boston.
“It’s housing projects,” Cantave says. “It’s all these things, so that’s the image they migrate with. It’s the perception that it’s everything not to do, in a way, between the adults. So you don’t want your children to go and imitate African-American behavior.”
“where black Americans perceive where they are on the fictitious totem pole, many Haitian immigrants choose to maintain their ethnic identity,”
i could go on all day.
Its just how african-americans are perceived even by other Black ethnic groups. Mainly the tension between the caribbean and africans, but even canadian/french blacks as well. They dont wanna be seen as African Americans at all.
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Continental divide separates Africans, African-Americans - Page 2 - CNN
"Ezeamuzie recalled finding himself more confused by his experience with some African-Americans: Why were they so cliquish? Why did they mock students for being intelligent? Why were they homophobic and bent on using the n-word? Why did every conversation seem to involve drugs, girls or materialism?"
"However, African immigrants find that education and good jobs elude their African-American brethren, and there is a perception that many African-American men aren't committed to supporting their families, Mohammed said."
Theres a serious disconnect between African Americans and Africans.. and it has less to do with slavery, and the media than we like to believe
they say Africans think we're lazy and shiftless.. cause thats what they see in the media.. that we just take up prison space... then they come here.. and guess what they see lol, they see the same things that the media portray.
so like i said, nobody is trying to push slavery to the side or act like it didnt happen.
But african americans need to stop being so sensitive, and focus on the things that matter. This little shit doesnt matter, a lot of the shit people complain about doesnt matter. Trayvon Martin doesnt matter. Black people shoot black teens walking from stores EVERYDAY. Chicago is a damn war zone, they call the shit ChIraq. White people arent your enemy. YOU ARE your enemy.
never in my life have i ever felt like a white person stopped me from anything, never have i felt held back from ties to slavery and i can trace my family back to slavery. My moms from North Carolina, i go down there and stayed at houses that used to be where my great grandfather and them worked, i still have relatives alive that are from the 30s and 40s. so nobody is saying it isnt a big deal.
but majority of it is mental, if you go into a situation thinking the chips are stacked against you because your black. Even if they ARE so what? what are you gonna do? not try just because they are? Life isnt fair, but if you work hard at whatever it is you do, you'll succeed. But i see it first hand, black people are there own worst enemy, and anybody who is saying otherwise is a damn liar.
nobody can control what you do but you, and if you feel otherwise than youre weak. Plain and simple. Your ancestors didnt go through all this shit, just to have you STILL acting like youre being held back from anything years later. and they damn sure aint tryna see outrage over some damn footwear. Black folks here gotta stop acting like they dont have options, People complaining about not being able to get financial aid because of criminal history? Well then dont be a criminal, its not hard to not be a criminal (and even still if you REALLY wanted to you can get financial aid with a record). You dont have to sell drugs, you dont have to get a bunch of women pregnant so that you cant go to school for 4 years because you have kids to raise. You have a choice, you have options
and more times than not, i see people acting like they dont. And that slave mentality has more to do with black people than anybody else. Cause from being on both sides of the fence, white folks arent concerned about you or what youre doing. because the only color that matters in this world is GREEN. Nobody can deny that
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Clergy<--- royalty<---------- noblemen <------------------------------------------- slaves
Where you were born a slave "to Jesus" and his men on Earth telling you what to think, say, eat and do.........while using you as their slaves for their wars and taking your shit away. That's basically the history of Europe. It's not different from the history of the Arabic world.
Why? Because just 70 years ago, there was a world war, where mostly white people killed other white people.
And the most ****ed up criminals (the Nazis in Germany and the Nazis in Japan) turned around and became the most liberal, prosperous and democratic countries in the world.
Why is that? Because people DO learn from their mistakes.
Why is the system in the US still so ****ed up? Because unlike any other country in the world, the US population still thinks it is smart to live in hermetically closed "communities", where uniformity is king: Italians live with Italians, Latinos live with other Latinos, Blacks with Blacks, Irish with the Irish, etc...
Ghetoization and the creation of "islands of ethnicities" never works, never worked and never will work.
The Polish Jews were the poorest and most oppressed, because they didn't want to integrate into the society (and the society didn't want them to). The German Jews were the richest and most prosperous, because they were integrated into the society (and the society wanted them to).
Things don't change as fast as we would like them to, but they do.
The 50s and 60s are two generations away, the post-war period was over with the destruction of the Berlin Wall and from the 1990s till now you can see how half of Europe changed completely............in just 20 years.
The Africans in Africa, Europe and elsewhere are fully aware of the history of the colonies. Slavery. Oppression.
Same goes for today's Indians.
But if the past is ALL that defines you, then you are living in the past.
It's simply over. The Now and looking into the future is all that's important. Because that's the only thing that gonna change. You learn about history to know why the slogan "Never again!" is crucial to a rationally thinking mind, not so you can complain on living in the past.
And as a friend pointed out to me earlier, we are living in times, where life is pretty sweet and you can really become what you want to be, so there's not much shit you can complain about.
What that also means is, that if you do not belong to the group of those who see this opportunity and take and use it, you need excuses.
And it is never your own fault............so you blame others for EVERYTHING and start to live in the past. It's suicide for anyone who wants to live a better life.
Nothing will change until people realize that Malcolm X or MLK were role models of the past, but Jay Z and PDiddy are not the right ones for today's world. The role models today should be the middle class and upper class academics, entrepreneurial middle class and people who live the life they want to live and not the live their ancestors were forced to.
"Bad things get worse, but good things get MUCH, MUCH better".
Concentrate on the good things and the bad things will disappear.
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