Is the Beat Scene Crowded with Copy Cats ?

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TheUpperMind12127

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I find there is various categories which a Beatmaker or Producer can fall under, whether it be Electronic, Nu Jazz, Hip Hop or R&B.But are there really any producers making a signature sound or not sticking to the constantly used 808 Kit and Trap influenced style? Is there really any bedroom producer that is waiting to break with some great skills and developed styles that will drive modern music forward ?
 
People often try too hard to be "different" and miss opportunities they could've gained just riding the wave...and vice versa.

IMO, you shouldn't worry about being innovative, just make music you love in whichever way you love it to the best of your ability. If that's an unorthodox sound you create, a direct ripoff, or anything between, if you're doing what you love and making the best music you feel you can make, you're doing it right.

DJ Mustard is pretty much doing Hyphy tracks, and because no one else is doing them right now(except guys ripping him off), it's "his sound" when just a few years ago, it would've been what everyone in the bay was making.
 
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I find there is various categories which a Beatmaker or Producer can fall under, whether it be Electronic, Nu Jazz, Hip Hop or R&B.But are there really any producers making a signature sound or not sticking to the constantly used 808 Kit and Trap influenced style? Is there really any bedroom producer that is waiting to break with some great skills and developed styles that will drive modern music forward ?
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Rap's been around for 30 plus years from the early production of Larry Smith(Run DMC, Whodin, I iust learned about him myself)to the various different sounds overs the years(G Funk, Boom Bap, Drums in triple time, Dark Chords, Hyphy Music etc...)I truly doubt any producer is gonna reinvent the wheel. Like deranged said, just be yourself rather than worrying about changing the face of music. The irony is that most producers who made classic albums weren't even thinking about making a classic. They just wanted to make the best music possible for that particular project.
 
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It's the Artists who are copy cats. These Morons think they can jump on a beat and be famous too. Everybody comes with the Make me a so in so beat. Labels do it too. :"I need club bangers like Mike will or Mustard" So they put every artist signed to them on the same producer who they ask to make a slightly modified copy of so in so's hit. Scared to divert out of fear of losing money. Yeah it's a business but it's a shitty business for creativity these days. Also all those wack ass sheep on youtube trying to make beats like other producers. You niggas are WACK.
 
yeah everyone wanna copy Toronto beat producers but people got to know we make the best shit out there. We are more hungry than anyone else.
 
Is Toronto crowded with producers? Lol, I didn't realize.. They must all be claiming to be from somewhere else ��
 
I'm not quite sure how you get a "different sounding beat". Everything has relativity. I can name a million things in common with Taylor Swift "Shake it off" and Cheif Keef "Don't Like". Add Nicki's "Anaconda" and they're no longer close to a night and day comparison.

There's only so far off the grid you can go without simply sounding WRONG. I've done this a long time, and I've learned when guys start focusing on sounding "different" they're no longer focused on making music as much as they're focused on NOT MAKING WHAT'S "IN". Problem with that is, they stray so far from the basics they end up making what most people perceive as noise.

This guy is so innovative IMO. He's doing nothing "new", nothing that hasn't been done before, he's basically a Ryan Leslie/Justin Timberlake hybrid in a time when that's even rare. I'm sure he's bitten/stolen/been inspired(however you wanna spin it)from tons of artist, but what he's doing is AMAZING because he found a lane. Not because no one else can do it or it sounds "different".



Funny thing is comments say "haven't heard anything like this in a while" and 'Different", lol.

Song: https://soundcloud.com/jonbellion/run-wild
 
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I'm not quite sure how you get a "different sounding beat". Everything has relativity. I can name a million things in common with Taylor Swift "Shake it off" and Cheif Keef "Don't Like". Add Nicki's "Anaconda" and they're no longer close to a night and day comparison.

There's only so far off the grid you can go without simply sounding WRONG. I've done this a long time, and I've learned when guys start focusing on sounding "different" they're no longer focused on making music as much as they're focused on NOT MAKING WHAT'S "IN". Problem with that is, they stray so far from the basics they end up making what most people perceive as noise.

This guy is so innovative IMO. He's doing nothing "new", nothing that hasn't been done before, he's basically a Ryan Leslie/Justin Timberlake hybrid in a time when that's even rare. I'm sure he's bitten/stolen/been inspired(however you wanna spin it)from tons of artist, but what he's doing is AMAZING because he found a lane. Not because no one else can do it or it sounds "different".



Funny thing is comments say "haven't heard anything like this in a while" and 'Different", lol.

Song: https://soundcloud.com/jonbellion/run-wild
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I heard "I" like 20 times in the first 30 seconds. He loves himself like Kanye. Talk is cheap. Just drop the music and let the fans decide. His drum programming is a joke. He seems like he may be be rhythmtically challenged. He does seem creative though. Shout out to Ronald Jenkees:

 
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I've heard a million Ronald Jenkees on this forum. Guys who throw 20 tracks of instruments into a beat full of transitions and think they're doing something. Only other producers and spectators for the "freak show" who don't understand chord progressions are impressed. To everyone else it's a clusterf**k. This is exactly what I'm talking about, people who make stuff like that think "they're letting the music speak for them". I guess you can put that shyt in a Mega Man video game. In the end, it's not impressive beyond a youtube viewing or beat discussion.

While I hear a million RJs on this forum, I've never heard a complete song with structure like that Jon Bellion song from an FP member. That's not saying they don't exist, that's not saying that song is beyond the talents of any competent musician, that's saying SONGS like that end up in a lane beyond a thread with a title like "hot new beat" or on a youtube page with the title 'killing this beat". I guess they're rare around here because it takes more than fluttering up and down your keyboard to make them. As for his "lack of rhythm", I could be wrong, but I was under the impression he was purposely giving the track groove with offset drums and the accompanying bass, that's the only reason I thought you'd bring out an MPC in 2014, lol.

None of this stuff is "different", but overplaying for the sake of overplaying is not even innovative. It's every producer who thinks they got more talent than the next guy who COULD do the same, but understands music structure enough to know better.

More "different" stuff that anyone could've made, but no one did except them.
 
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I've heard a million Ronald Jenkees on this forum. Guys who throw 20 tracks of instruments into a beat full of transitions and think they're doing something. Only other producers and spectators for the "freak show" who don't understand chord progressions are impressed. To everyone else it's a clusterf**k. This is exactly what I'm talking about, people who make stuff like that think "they're letting the music speak for them". I guess you can put that shyt in a Mega Man video game. In the end, it's not impressive beyond a youtube viewing or beat discussion.

While I hear a million RJs on this forum, I've never heard a complete song with structure like that Jon Bellion song from an FP member. That's not saying they don't exist, that's not saying that song is beyond the talents of any competent musician, that's saying SONGS like that end up in a lane beyond a thread with a title like "hot new beat" or on a youtube page with the title 'killing this beat". I guess they're rare around here because it takes more than fluttering up and down your keyboard to make them. As for his "lack of rhythm", I could be wrong, but I was under the impression he was purposely giving the track groove with offset drums and the accompanying bass, that's the only reason I thought you'd bring out an MPC in 2014, lol.

None of this stuff is "different", but overplaying for the sake of overplaying is not even innovative. It's every producer who thinks they got more talent than the next guy who COULD do the same, but understands music structure enough to know better.

More "different" stuff that anyone could've made, but no one did except them.
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I have always been blown away by Ronald Jenkees actual talent as a musician and the fact he may be a savant. His tracks though were a different story. What's your take on him? I thought this was kinda funky even though the sounds were cheesy. You can't rap over his stuff because it changes so much. With some direction and a co producer, he could produce some amazing shyt. The bounce on this track is nice. I guarantee you Snoop would love it of course with better sounds.
 
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I like the fact he has fun doing his music. He could make music for the porn industry, lol. He'd be great in a live band. I don't know the right terminologies...but he "overprogresses" everything. It would take the same amount of talent(actually more, because you'd know you needed to stop)to play those short progressions in the bridge of that Jon Bellion song I posted(the part where he's rapping) that it takes to go from one end of the keyboard to the other. He's a one trick pony IMO, but it works for guys who know no better. He can't play anything I can't, and I can't read music. Anyone who wants to can learn how to do those progressions in a few minutes if they understand basics

I do the same thing to impress guys when they ask me if I can play though, so.....
 
its not hip hop, the whole world is full of people copying what works for others. nothing new. not a very artistic approach but it is what most people do.
 
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I like the fact he has fun doing his music. He could make music for the porn industry, lol. He'd be great in a live band. I don't know the right terminologies...but he "overprogresses" everything. It would take the same amount of talent(actually more, because you'd know you needed to stop)to play those short progressions in the bridge of that Jon Bellion song I posted(the part where he's rapping) that it takes to go from one end of the keyboard to the other. He's a one trick pony IMO, but it works for guys who know no better. He can't play anything I can't, and I can't read music. Anyone who wants to can learn how to do those progressions in a few minutes if they understand basics

I do the same thing to impress guys when they ask me if I can play though, so.....
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So you're saying you're on his level skill wise? I don't think you're giving him enough credit as a natural musician. I think he's gifted to where he plays by feel. Look at him, he's very akward socially a bit autistic but as soon as he gets on the keyboard, it's almost natural. Most producers today don't have that range. Lets be honest making rap beats is kinda simplifying the process for him. He may not grasp the process of giving the artists enough room to rap with all those changes but I'm sure he could come up with some great piano loops, & chord progressions with the right guidance. It seems like his mind is racing with all these intricate melodies, a repetitive melody for him is too slow and restricting. Not to hate but i doubt you could play and improvise a full track like that for 3 plus minutes. If you can pardon me, you're the man. Most producers I observe play two finger melodies. Arsonist from heatmakerz has found a nice keyboardist. He took down the other video where the keyboardist layed a better melody for a different track:


Back to my favorite savant. That's some old timbaland shit(lol)!!!
 
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I gave him credit for doing by hand what most did on old commodore systems using archaic sequencers. Making music you can find in video games. I never gave the short range of hip hop. I went as far as to say he'd be great live for the show quality.

I am saying if you can't progress from one end of a keyboard to another, you can learn in an instant. That last vid of his you posted impressed me, but on the other he didn't snap like that. I doubt I could do that last one, lol. There was parts on the other I could see myself being off on, but you were hiding that one, lol. :cheers:
 
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