Why Do people say reason 6 has terrible sound quality?

[KelevraOne]

PDC, vst/i support, group tracks, proper midi/audio editing, truely intergated midi controller support i.e. able to control mixer, devices, and transport with just one controller... (i know there is a new controller on the market that can do this but it cost $500... in ableton live... oxygen 61... which cost $170... can control the mixer, devices and transport)...


the list could go on and on... but this is a basic view!!!

Reason has group tracks through, midi and audio editing. and you can control almost anything on Reason with any midi controller(I used an oxygen 49). although it doesn't have Midi out which I find to be a big drawback. It's midi editing is on the same level as ableton so far. I can't say much for it's audio editing because I haven't used Reason 6 outside of just a demo.

However I digress. My question was what does reason lack in that you can't make "Industry Standard" Music.

[B Side Producer]

Audio and midi editting is present as well. Making everything the same velocity, present as well. Controlling anything in reason with knobs or faders is easy as pie. (Some stuff I quote here out of other posts). The fact is, most things haters throw around what Reason can't do, it can do. That it doesn't do midi is also a very vague term. It can export a midi track, import a midi track, it can handle midi signals, that still works!
Some ppl got pissed off at the fact they didn't seem to have the knowledge to do that in Reason and thought it was too hard for them, gave up and give off at Reason at any chance.
Just don't listen to them, ignore them. Reason can do most stuff other DAWs can do, it can do some stuff other DAWs can't do and other DAWs do some stuff Reason can't do.
Basically, anyone giving off at Reason in such a manner saying what it can't do tells more about those persons than Reason. I've seen these comments coming by in a lot more posts and suprisingly, there are almost all wrong except the VST support.

Getting the industry sound out of Reason is possible. You have to have the right knowledge though. Production theory, music theory and know how to accomplish that in Reason. Like knowing the SSL rack.
Anyway, GL. There are some other posts of me around where I give you half a dozen steps to take to get to that point that are pretty straight forward, use the search function of the forum.

[stillfunkin]

first i will start off with... i have owned Reason since version 1... now on 6.5... and brought every update/upgrade... i.e. been a Reason owner since 2000... that is about 12 years of experience with the product...

Reason has group tracks through, midi and audio editing. and you can control almost anything on Reason with any midi controller(I used an oxygen 49).

Reason does not have group tracks... a matter of fact... there are tons of users that are waiting for group tracks... yes!!! Reason has midi and audio editing... but if Reason is the only tool you use/own... i understand where you are coming from... when you compare the midi and audio editing to... lets say... Cubase... there is no comparison... i have owned Cubase over that same 12 year period as Reason... about the controller(s)... load a instrument i.e. kong... go to the faders on the oxygen 49 and turn that device up or down on the mixer... you need two devices to control the mixer and device at the same time... again... i have own Reason for 12 years now!!!

It's midi editing is on the same level as ableton so far.

you cant brag about ableton's midi editing either... but it is more robust than Reason...

I can't say much for it's audio editing because I haven't used Reason 6 outside of just a demo.

sound like your Reason experience is limited!!!

However I digress. My question was what does reason lack in that you can't make "Industry Standard" Music.

Reason does not lack anything to make "Industry Standard" Music... but there are other products on the market that can make "Industry Standard" Music too... i.e. the software version of the "Beat Thang", "Band in a Box", FL Studio, etc...

my point is... "YES"!!! Reason can make "Industry Standard" Music... but so can 1001 other products!!!

---------- Post added at 09:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:11 AM ----------

Audio and midi editting is present as well. Making everything the same velocity, present as well. Controlling anything in reason with knobs or faders is easy as pie. (Some stuff I quote here out of other posts). The fact is, most things haters throw around what Reason can't do, it can do. That it doesn't do midi is also a very vague term. It can export a midi track, import a midi track, it can handle midi signals, that still works!
Some ppl got pissed off at the fact they didn't seem to have the knowledge to do that in Reason and thought it was too hard for them, gave up and give off at Reason at any chance.
Just don't listen to them, ignore them. Reason can do most stuff other DAWs can do, it can do some stuff other DAWs can't do and other DAWs do some stuff Reason can't do.
Basically, anyone giving off at Reason in such a manner saying what it can't do tells more about those persons than Reason. I've seen these comments coming by in a lot more posts and suprisingly, there are almost all wrong except the VST support.

Getting the industry sound out of Reason is possible. You have to have the right knowledge though. Production theory, music theory and know how to accomplish that in Reason. Like knowing the SSL rack.
Anyway, GL. There are some other posts of me around where I give you half a dozen steps to take to get to that point that are pretty straight forward, use the search function of the forum.

i would first like to say that the opposite of a "HATER" is a "FANBOI"!!! there is more to editing midi data then the velocity... what happens if you play "real" chords in your music... and you want the lenght of each note in the chords to have the same lenght... this is just one example... but there are tons of other...

exactly what knowledge is needed to use Reason... drag an instrument onto the rack -vs- opening a vsti in a standard DAW... add other devices i.e. reverb, compression, etc (same could be said about standard DAW)...

what other knowledge is needed? for me it is about a groove/percussion, chord progression/harmony, melody and secondary melody...

what is so special about Reason and the knowledge needed to use it... again... the opposite of a "HATER" is a "FANBOI"!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

i agree you can make "Industry Standard" Music with Reason... but the same can be said about... the software version Beat Thang, Band in the Box, FL Studio, any tracker, etc!!!

the bottom line is... it is "always" the individual that uses the product... and not the product!!!

[bandcoach]

Finally, someone has said it - it is about what you can do, not what the software can do - poor tradesmen (and being a producer is as much about trade-craft as music-craft) blame their tools or blame a tool if they cannot produce the product they want to........

[troublemaker$]

Or they get other tools that work much better for them!

[bandcoach]

now that's just plain stalking behaviour


- the point of blaming your tools in the above well-known saying is that if you have no skills or only a poor selection of them you will blame the tools/daw for the failings in your work product rather than admitting your own shortcomings and then focusing on what you need to do which is to learn how to use the tool (correctly) in the first place.

[stillfunkin]

now that's just plain stalking behaviour


- the point of blaming your tools in the above well-known saying is that if you have no skills or only a poor selection of them you will blame the tools/daw for the failings in your work product rather than admitting your own shortcomings and then focusing on what you need to do which is to learn how to use the tool (correctly) in the first place.

what i find is individual spend more time with their DAW... then "actually" practicing... because if you practice your trade... the tool will make no difference!!!

[KelevraOne]

Audio and midi editting is present as well. Making everything the same velocity, present as well. Controlling anything in reason with knobs or faders is easy as pie. (Some stuff I quote here out of other posts). The fact is, most things haters throw around what Reason can't do, it can do. That it doesn't do midi is also a very vague term. It can export a midi track, import a midi track, it can handle midi signals, that still works!
Some ppl got pissed off at the fact they didn't seem to have the knowledge to do that in Reason and thought it was too hard for them, gave up and give off at Reason at any chance.
Just don't listen to them, ignore them. Reason can do most stuff other DAWs can do, it can do some stuff other DAWs can't do and other DAWs do some stuff Reason can't do.
Basically, anyone giving off at Reason in such a manner saying what it can't do tells more about those persons than Reason. I've seen these comments coming by in a lot more posts and suprisingly, there are almost all wrong except the VST support.

Getting the industry sound out of Reason is possible. You have to have the right knowledge though. Production theory, music theory and know how to accomplish that in Reason. Like knowing the SSL rack.
Anyway, GL. There are some other posts of me around where I give you half a dozen steps to take to get to that point that are pretty straight forward, use the search function of the forum.

The Truth with pretty much all D.A.W.'s. Most people aren't really haters though. Just not used to a different D.A.W.'s workflow and don't understand it.

---------- Post added at 01:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:03 PM ----------

first i will start off with... i have owned Reason since version 1... now on 6.5... and brought every update/upgrade... i.e. been a Reason owner since 2000... that is about 12 years of experience with the product...




Reason does not have group tracks... a matter of fact... there are tons of users that are waiting for group tracks... yes!!! Reason has midi and audio editing... but if Reason is the only tool you use/own... i understand where you are coming from... when you compare the midi and audio editing to... lets say... Cubase... there is no comparison... i have owned Cubase over that same 12 year period as Reason... about the controller(s)... load a instrument i.e. kong... go to the faders on the oxygen 49 and turn that device up or down on the mixer... you need two devices to control the mixer and device at the same time... again... i have own Reason for 12 years now!!!




you cant brag about ableton's midi editing either... but it is more robust than Reason...



sound like your Reason experience is limited!!!



Reason does not lack anything to make "Industry Standard" Music... but there are other products on the market that can make "Industry Standard" Music too... i.e. the software version of the "Beat Thang", "Band in a Box", FL Studio, etc...

my point is... "YES"!!! Reason can make "Industry Standard" Music... but so can 1001 other products!!!

---------- Post added at 09:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:11 AM ----------



i would first like to say that the opposite of a "HATER" is a "FANBOI"!!! there is more to editing midi data then the velocity... what happens if you play "real" chords in your music... and you want the lenght of each note in the chords to have the same lenght... this is just one example... but there are tons of other...

exactly what knowledge is needed to use Reason... drag an instrument onto the rack -vs- opening a vsti in a standard DAW... add other devices i.e. reverb, compression, etc (same could be said about standard DAW)...

what other knowledge is needed? for me it is about a groove/percussion, chord progression/harmony, melody and secondary melody...

what is so special about Reason and the knowledge needed to use it... again... the opposite of a "HATER" is a "FANBOI"!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

i agree you can make "Industry Standard" Music with Reason... but the same can be said about... the software version Beat Thang, Band in the Box, FL Studio, any tracker, etc!!!

the bottom line is... it is "always" the individual that uses the product... and not the product!!!

I think we have a difference of preferences, because like I said besides from Midi out and vst support, I can do all those things in Reason 5.

[Johni Ferrari]

I use Reason 5 Exclusively to make all my beats. Will upgrade to reason 6 in needed. Reason does not have that sharp, full, crisp sound right out of the box. It takes great samples and refills plus knowing the software's built in effects and inserts plus some knowledge of EQ and Compression to get the final mix you are looking for when exporting a beat from Reason. I try to master every track to get a good sounding final mix. Check out my youtube I have just started uploading beats. The first couple have bad quality due to Youtube compression but I figured it out now and quality is better.

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

^^^Nothing has a "sharp full crisp sound" out of the box though. I disagree that you NEED REFILLS. The factory Bank alone is more than what you'd get in the average workstation keyboard. I've never heard anyone say "a Fantom or Motif isn't enough without adding blah". Not saying there aren't good refills out there, but they're an afterthought to "quality".

I'm speaking in reference to R6, but I'm pretty sure R5 had all the same sounds as well.