Would you recommend kontakt 5 for orchestral, symphonic,ethnic or film score music?

[zetaborealis]

I'm considering buying the komplete 8 set mainly for kontakt 5, and also for reaktor.
The reason I want kontakt 5, is that I often hear that kontakt is the industry sampler, and because of that a lot of libraries have been made suitable to it.

I really want to make real genuine sounding orchestral, symphonic, film score, ethnic etc sounds. When I look at top of the range software/libraries such as VSL, it is just totally out of my budget ($5000)

What do you all think about the sounds that can be created from , for example, the factory library that comes with kontact 5? It is a much more affordable price. Is there a big difference in the sound quality between the sounds of say, the factory orchestral/choir sounds in kontakt 5, when compared to say VSL or EWQSLO?

How does Omnisphere compare to all of these? I have always had the image that omnisphere is more beautiful, but unnatural and other-worldly synth sounds, although the trillion bass sounds amazing. (from the demos I've seen)

Any advice would be appreciated, I understand that the voicing, timbre layering, articulation/phrasing, dynamics etc is hugely important, but the original sample/sound quality makes a huge difference as well.

Cheers

[ObiK]

I'd take a look at Miroslav Philharmonik

[CPhoenix]

In short.. yes, Kontakt will do a very good job.

Kontakt and Omnisphere are two totally different instruments. Kontakt is a sampler, Omniphere is a synth. Of course you can accomplish most of the same things with it... but if you're looking for more realistic instruments, Kontakt's your better bet. If you want to create sounds that are moreso synthesized... Omnisphere would be the better bet. Put the two together and your head will explode.

+1 for Philharmonik. The string instruments sound extremely good, and it's at a great price. It runs much smoother than Kontakt as well. However, Kontakt has a larger library and is expandable w/ the 3rd party libraries. If all you need is great strings & some good extras, Philharmonik does the job well... if you need more.. go w/ Kontakt.

[enthalpybeats]

As far as it goes to Komplete and its orchestra sounds, NI did a great job there. I also think that you should try to experiment on blending different libraries, it can add some cool flavour to your orchestra sound.

[bandcoach]

I'd take a look at Miroslav Philharmonik

that's called a conflict of interest or at best, not disclosing your close personal links to the product.......

Personally I'd get everything I could afford - I have both Kontakt 8 Ultimate and Miroslav Philharmonik - I have yet to get sufficient funds saved to afford East-Wests offerings in this area, but will do so when I can.....

[stillfunkin]

that's called a conflict of interest or at best, not disclosing your close personal links to the product.......

i agree with this statement...

plus... when he endorses these products... he does not include the fact that these products are dead-end products... it is becoming irritating to keep reading his post... especially... when there is a section dedicated to ik multimedia products on this forum...

he keep saying that ik multimedia is working on sampletank 3... how many years have they been working on sampletank 3... lets think about... i would say about 4 or 5 years now... lets say there are about 7 developers on the product... i.e. just coders... the going rate for coders in the US is about $55 a hour... 8 hours a day... is a $440 a day... is $2200 a week... is $114,400 a year... times 7 developers... is $880,400 for one year... now... if you look at the development time of 4 years of 7 developers... that is $3,521,600...

my question is... how many more years is ik multimedia willing to pay the developers to code sampletank 3? one would think for 3.5 million the product should be done by now... or there is a "LIE" being told somewhere!!!

[ObiK]

that's called a conflict of interest or at best, not disclosing your close personal links to the product.......

Personally I'd get everything I could afford - I have both Kontakt 8 Ultimate and Miroslav Philharmonik - I have yet to get sufficient funds saved to afford East-Wests offerings in this area, but will do so when I can.....

It is VERY obvious my link and affiliation, its in my USERNAME. Plus the company logo as my Avatar and company links in my signature. Not to mention I was recommending Miroslav Philharmonik for YEARS before I worked for IK on these very forums and on my own personal blog. Or do you not remember that far back?

i agree with this statement...

plus... when he endorses these products... he does not include the fact that these products are dead-end products... it is becoming irritating to keep reading his post... especially... when there is a section dedicated to ik multimedia products on this forum...

he keep saying that ik multimedia is working on sampletank 3... how many years have they been working on sampletank 3... lets think about... i would say about 4 or 5 years now... lets say there are about 7 developers on the product... i.e. just coders... the going rate for coders in the US is about $55 a hour... 8 hours a day... is a $440 a day... is $2200 a week... is $114,400 a year... times 7 developers... is $880,400 for one year... now... if you look at the development time of 4 years of 7 developers... that is $3,521,600...

my question is... how many more years is ik multimedia willing to pay the developers to code sampletank 3? one would think for 3.5 million the product should be done by now... or there is a "LIE" being told somewhere!!!

Ahh, good old stillfunkin. How you been bud? We HAVE been working hard on SampleTank 3, but it is sooo much more than just code. There is an entirely new library being recorded. In the fullest detail and new features being added as we go. We could have released it, but in true IK fashion we prefer to take our time and be sure of the quality SampleTank 3 will offer.

I love how you started throwing numbers around like you work here. No need to break our operations down, you're far off regardless. We have been hard at work with a ton of things, from updating our plug ins to 64 bit last year, to working with Slash this year, updating ARC to 4 times the accuracy, bringing professional DJing to the iPhone and iPad, along with a few more surprises for the end of the year. SampleTank 3 IS on its way and these products aren't dead. Each one will be future proof with SampleTank 3 which will bring 64 bit compatibility and with the new reworked audio engine they will sound better.

There are no lies being told and to be honest I don't appreciate being called a liar. If I were a liar I would have created a new account and talk about these products like a regular user and not an employee. Instead I went out of my way to create a new account, talk to the mods and let it be known I work for the company now. I even gave up my modship on my personal account.

[bandcoach]

did you not see the wink ( ) - and not everyone knows that Miroslav is an IK-MM product, at least not until they go and take a look.

As for the length of time you have been posting, I have to say, that having joined in Nov 2010, I am guessing that a lot of your older posts (obviously under another username as yours only started in Feb 2011) have escaped my eyes...

Anyway, I did support your suggestion but balanced it as well...

[stillfunkin]

Ahh, good old stillfunkin. How you been bud?

first off!!! i am not your "bud"!!!

ok?

We HAVE been working hard on SampleTank 3, but it is sooo much more than just code. There is an entirely new library being recorded. In the fullest detail and new features being added as we go. We could have released it, but in true IK fashion we prefer to take our time and be sure of the quality SampleTank 3 will offer.

just curious... how many years of studio time did IK use for this project? how many "years"? how many years of studio time did they book? Sample 3 has an end less budget? please!!!

I love how you started throwing numbers around like you work here.

work where? logging on to a computer and repping IK products... yearly/bi-yearly visit to the headquarter? you call that working for IK? do you fill out an IK time sheet... because that would be working for IK!!!

No need to break our operations down, you're far off regardless.

just using "common" sense... all project have a "life cycle"... they are not open ended... what? IK have employees sitting around think about what to do next? i do not think so... there is a project plan... with incremental due dates... i.e. booking studio time and budget for studio time...

We have been hard at work with a ton of things, from updating our plug ins to 64 bit last year, to working with Slash this year, updating ARC to 4 times the accuracy, bringing professional DJing to the iPhone and iPad, along with a few more surprises for the end of the year. SampleTank 3 IS on its way and these products aren't dead. Each one will be future proof with SampleTank 3 which will bring 64 bit compatibility and with the new reworked audio engine they will sound better.

it funny how you throw these names around... IK are paying Slash... if the next company comes along with a "sweeter" deal... Slash would be with them... that is also "common" sense!!! yes... it does seem like IK are putting alot of interest in their i/o products... if you go to the IK website... yes... you will see add for Slash, ARC, and the other products... but you have to look "very" hard to find information about Sampletank...

There are no lies being told and to be honest I don't appreciate being called a liar. If I were a liar I would have created a new account and talk about these products like a regular user and not an employee. Instead I went out of my way to create a new account, talk to the mods and let it be known I work for the company now. I even gave up my modship on my personal account.

to be honest... before you starting repping IK products you were a fan/user of Kinetic 2... remember? i do!!! remember writing an article about, i think IK's Miroslav, and from there you got the IK gig? remember? i do...

i may not quote/unquote "work for IK"... but have owned Sampletank since 11-12-2003 (just checked it out at the IK website)... i know the history of the product and it competitors... i have seen updates come and go from other companies... what is so different about IK?

again... my premise is... you cant have an "open ended" project... there is a budget for every aspect of the project... there is also... a start date and a end date... with status reports along the way... this is how companies monitor the progress of the project... they are "not" throwing "new" features in as they go... again... they have a project plan... and also a budget...

sorry for calling you a liar... but you cant bull shit a bull shitter!!!

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did you not see the wink ( ) - and not everyone knows that Miroslav is an IK-MM product, at least not until they go and take a look.

i missed your "wink"... but what i wrote still holds true... plus... it is only my opinion... nothing carved in stone!!

As for the length of time you have been posting, I have to say, that having joined in Nov 2010, I am guessing that a lot of your older posts (obviously under another username as yours only started in Feb 2011) have escaped my eyes...

not sure what is the point of this statement... if you want to know if i have been "banned" from here and created another profile... the answer is "YES"... my old name is NeverEnoughFunk... i was just as honest in my old thread as i am in my new ones!!!

Anyway, I did support your suggestion but balanced it as well...

i will take any support i can get!!!

[ObiK]

Ah, cute. You remembered! Actually I started with FL Studio back in the 4 days moved to Kinetic then when Kinetic 2 was released I moved to Cubase, back to FL and then finally settled on Reaper.

IK doesn't have to book studio time, we own a FEW studios for our own projects. Not to mention the musicians and engineers IK has on staff, it makes these types of projects significantly less expensive because we keep everything in house. We don't rent our instruments we purchase them for our own library much like we do with the AmpliTube 3 Custom Shop. We can have as many open ended projects as we wish because we are constantly improving them. Especially when you have as many other successful products like we have it creates an atmosphere of creativity and pushing ourselves further than we have before.

I'm not lying. Not that it matters, I have nothing to prove to you. SampleTank 3 is being worked on, whether you believe it or not.

I don't know why you are so irritated, but to each their own. To the OP: Best of luck in your search for decent orchestral sounds. Didn't mean to throw this thread off.

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did you not see the wink ( ) - and not everyone knows that Miroslav is an IK-MM product, at least not until they go and take a look.

As for the length of time you have been posting, I have to say, that having joined in Nov 2010, I am guessing that a lot of your older posts (obviously under another username as yours only started in Feb 2011) have escaped my eyes...

Anyway, I did support your suggestion but balanced it as well...

I am ObiTheIncredible and have been an active part of these forums since the EARLY 2000's. Sorry for the brash post, I do appreciate your contribution to these forums. You are indeed very knowledgeable.