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    Quote Originally Posted by bandcoach View Post

    Instead of worrying that the software is holding you back, look at what things you do not know how to do yet, whether it be composition (melody, chords, rhythm), sound design, mixing, creative eq, creative application of effects, etc
    As I mentioned somewhere earlier, when I learned a basic method of side chain compression, everything improved tenfold, but I only knew about this techniques importance in dubstep when someone mentioned it in an unrelated video. Sometimes I wonder what I should be learning that I don't even know about yet. All I'm learning at the moment is how to use NN-XT because it's the one plug in I almost never use, for all it's potential.

    Thanks for replying to everyone before this, and I'm not going to think anyone's constructive criticism makes them an a-hole, so no worries there.

    I feel there may be some missing the point though. I'm looking for evidence of Reason's potential in this genre, based on other threads I've read wherein people who commented saying that Reason has inferior filters and such, but I am in no place to know whether or not such things are true. I'm still waiting for someone posting pure filth made exclusively with Reason =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olliepm View Post
    As I mentioned somewhere earlier, when I learned a basic method of side chain compression, everything improved tenfold, but I only knew about this techniques importance in dubstep when someone mentioned it in an unrelated video. Sometimes I wonder what I should be learning that I don't even know about yet. All I'm learning at the moment is how to use NN-XT because it's the one plug in I almost never use, for all it's potential.

    Thanks for replying to everyone before this, and I'm not going to think anyone's constructive criticism makes them an a-hole, so no worries there.

    I feel there may be some missing the point though. I'm looking for evidence of Reason's potential in this genre, based on other threads I've read wherein people who commented saying that Reason has inferior filters and such, but I am in no place to know whether or not such things are true. I'm still waiting for someone posting pure filth made exclusively with Reason =D
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    Check out boyinaband on youtube. he has a dubstep tutorial there you can get some ideas from.
    He also has a lot of other great tutorials.

    You can also just search "reason dubstep tutorial" in youtube search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olliepm View Post
    As I mentioned somewhere earlier, when I learned a basic method of side chain compression, everything improved tenfold, but I only knew about this techniques importance in dubstep when someone mentioned it in an unrelated video. Sometimes I wonder what I should be learning that I don't even know about yet. All I'm learning at the moment is how to use NN-XT because it's the one plug in I almost never use, for all it's potential.

    Thanks for replying to everyone before this, and I'm not going to think anyone's constructive criticism makes them an a-hole, so no worries there.

    I feel there may be some missing the point though. I'm looking for evidence of Reason's potential in this genre, based on other threads I've read wherein people who commented saying that Reason has inferior filters and such, but I am in no place to know whether or not such things are true. I'm still waiting for someone posting pure filth made exclusively with Reason =D
    just about every negative thing you read about a piece of software here needs to be taken with a grain of salt (or more correctly, a bag of salt)

    That is because most of the people making those comments do not have very much experience of any aspect of production, let alone in using the software they are knocking.

    Some people to pay attention to include Xabiton, d'ranged, moses, krushing, sleepy, foggy, obik, rhythmgj, morningstar, stillfunkin (there are quite a few more but that is a starting point). If they say the filters are shit then I would be inclined to believe them. However, in my own experience (which spans 35 years and counting) I do not think that there are any issues with any aspect of Reason except for it's lack of support for notation. That said, notation is not what reason is about, it works at a different level, one with which I am comfortable because it is based in the earliest traditions of step sequencing, as found in Pro-12, Pro-16 for the Commodore 64 and Pro-24 for the Commodore 64 and the AtariSt.

    Put more bluntly: unless you know that the person who is telling you it is shite has a bit of experience with the software and a deep knowledge of the subject of audio in general, I'd ignore them.

    Spend time addressing your learning deficiencies: this means researching production techniques and compositional techniques.

    Go to the Propellorheads channel on youtube and watch all of the videos on using reason; use your copy of reason to duplicate what is being done so that you have it available for future use. Anything and I mean anything that catches your interest, make sure that you save a combinator patch or other instrument patch with the content so that you can dial it in quickly and easily whenever you want to use it in the future.

    read my tutorials to get to the nuts and bolts of how different aspects of music fit together.

    Ask questions that have a very narrow, specific focus, so that you get good, focused answers that you can apply with little delay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandcoach View Post
    in my own experience (which spans 35 years and counting)
    I knew it !! You're not a 12 year old super genius ! MUHAHA
    Last edited by DjPolair; 12-26-2012 at 06:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olliepm View Post
    I understand 6.5 now supports VST, which seems to be where a lot of the big sounds come from these days. This thread is to determine whether it's worth it, I suppose.
    It doesn't, but instead it supports their own "plugin" type called Rack Extensions.

    As for spectrum analyzers...they seem to be pretty misunderstood in the sense that the realtime math used to get that visual spectrum out of audio does cut a lot of corners; this means that analyzers aren't very accurate (especially in the low end), and they're always just a very rough representation of the audio anyway. They can be occasionally used to identify frequency buildups and such, but it's way too easy to slip into the habit of trying to "check the mix" by looking at the spectrum and forgetting about listening analytically. In other words: they're not needed, and can often be misguiding rather than helpful. Your ears are the best analyzer there is.
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    Fatal: he already knows how to do this - it is what he said, that he discovered it when reading an unrelated post to his core interest area of dubstep

    Quote Originally Posted by DjPolair View Post
    I knew it !! You're not a 12 year old super genius ! MUHAHA
    nope a 50 year old regular genius (iq measured at 134 last time it was done (where "normal" is 100; definitely outside the 3 SD required to be labeled genius) but I don't brag about it usually as being a genius has done nothing for me personally, socially or otherwise..........

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    @fataltone I know a corner cutting method of sidechaining, but I would still be interested in other methods that might be more successful. All instruments during 'drops' are side chained to compressors, which are triggered by redrums sequencer on the one beat, and the half time snare. To me it seems like a huge time saver, and pitfall dodger, but it did seem a bit lazy on my part to be honest.

    @krushing I knew very little to do with spectrum analyzers before, and appreciate your advice. I will need to look into Reason 6.5's plugin support, because I'm not sure what you mean on that subject.

    Somebody said in one of the other threads that although it's perfectly possible to create these sounds with Reason, it tends to be more time consuming than with Ableton for e.g. How much more time consuming is the question now, I suppose...

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    Again, I would caution you to take the opinion that it is quicker to do something in Ableton with a very large bag of salt -

    I can program most sounds I want in subtractor in about 5 minutes - I know what I am doing and so the process is very quick - ask me to do that with OSC123 and I would take an hour, because I do not know my way around the interface nor intimately understand how the different sections of OSC123 actually react and behave given certain parameter tweaks. It does not mean that I cannot program them in OSC123, just that I would need to work longer and harder (and the times quoted are ball-park to highlight the time factor: a 10:1 ratio in ease of programming between the two for me) to achieve the same outcome. I am not as much a diva with thor or malstrom, but I can still program them quicker than I could equivalent types of soft-synths in other daws.

    I would suggest that you get a hold of

    Welsh's Synthesizer Cookbook: Analog Synthesizer Programming

    and

    read all of the articles in this series

    Synth Secrets: Links to All Parts

    to improve your knowledge of how to program sounds
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