ASR-10 + MPC= Pointless?

[TrebleWitoutAPause]

and by the way if i were to get an ASR does nebody kno wher i cud a new 1? cuz ebay can be exteremely shady if u kno wut i mean... im thinkin of gettin an ASR wit the MPC 1000 frum wut ya'll say about the ASR but i jus dont kno how to load in the sounds if yall know how to load 'em or wut source u wud use lemme kno
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[MaZe]

Originally posted by TrebleWitoutAPause
and by the way if i were to get an ASR does nebody kno wher i cud a new 1? cuz ebay can be exteremely shady if u kno wut i mean... im thinkin of gettin an ASR wit the MPC 1000 frum wut ya'll say about the ASR but i jus dont kno how to load in the sounds if yall know how to load 'em or wut source u wud use lemme kno
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I would do a lot more reading on the ASR if I were you before I buy one. The ASR is a nice machine and I have heard the filter is great, but for the price they are going secong hand lately, you can get something much better and much more recent.

And not to be a penis, but, just because kanye, timbo, rza, etc., have at one point used the ASR doesnt mean that it is a must have.

MaZe

[dmensah1]

keep in mind they dont make asrs anymore so their prices on ebay are pretty high. theres also the rack version of the asr-10 and theres the asr-x, both are usually cheaper than the keyboard version. but if you get an mpc 1000, i suggest buying a rack sound module and not a workstation such as a triton LE if you already have a midi keyboard. i would try out the motif ES rack or better yet the Fantom XR because the fantom will pick up where the mpc 1000 lacks in the sampling department. a cheaper alternative to the ASR is to buy a soft-sampler such as MachFive or Kontakt 2 and sequence them with the MPC just as you would the triton.

[TrebleWitoutAPause]

yeea i took all that into consideration (lol, trust me) but da thing is i wanna spend $1000 dollars or less on a component for da MPC nd i already have like 3 software programs (reason, pro tools, nd the free version of live 4). i jus want a good synth/sampler/workstation keyboard to go wit da MP nd the asr looks extremely nice im jus trying to figure out right now how i would load sounds onto it and from where.
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[Cruel Hoax]

I don't mean to be a jerk here. I say this as a guy who came up using the old-school gear (where you had to figure out how the BPM of your loop, you'd bust out the calculator, multiply 60xSampling Rate, divide it by your sample length (in samples) and there you've got your BPM. So for a 44.1kHz sample, it's:
60x44100/length=BPM
and there's your algebra formula for calculating timestretching (well, not quite. For that, you also need to calculate percentages or ratios of old tempo to new tempo) and beatmatching.)

See what I mean? When you can pull that science outta your frontal lobe as needed, you've got a bit of the old school flava, as they say. Nowadays, you drag 'n drop your loop in Acid and it matches by itself. So, for most, this is a forgotten skill. (Of course, they guys who are getting paid making these Acid libraries are using this knowledge!)

Learning an old-school sampler is like boot camp. It's gonna be hard as hell. You're gonna work yourself into frustration many, many times. You're gonna want to quit, and you're gonna think it's stupid and pointless. But as you stick with it, you'll get better and better, and you'll begin to see why you learned all this stuff in the first place. You'll notice the numbers that you'vwe crammed into your brain show up all over the place, and this gives you a new view on how sound works, how sound design works, and how the science behind the beats works.

This is why owning (and using!)an old-school sampler confers a degree of legitimacy. Not because it's a magic piece of gear (though the feel and sound of the early MPCs can't be denied), but rather: if you're using one of these beasts right, you've got a head full of science, and every sound you create with it is your own. I mean, you sampled the vinyl, the synth, the banging-on-trashcans and made your own library with it. That automatically garners respect.

"Where do I get more sounds for my MPC"? Between your ears, man, between your ears.

-Hoax

[LyricalEX]

This is a good thread
I like what hoax said.

As for me, i own an ASR. Havent had it that long, but i almost feel like a seasoned vet with it. It is frustrating dealing with it an all its quirks, but i feel its worth it learning everything there is to know about it. Lucky for me and my lacking frontal lobe, it came with the manual.

If you want a synth/sampler/workstation that you can jump straight into and start knocking out beats, then id say go the fantom, motif, triton route. The ASR is a sampler first then all those other things second. Its gonna take some learning first before you can be productive on it.

It dosent come with any sounds, unless whoever you buy one from has a dozen or two, and 90% of them suck.
Loading and saving sounds and sequences aernt as swift as those other machines, and you defenitely need a scsi port and zip drive for it because you cant save anything inside the board.

I have more to say on this but im tired of typing so, theres my 2c

[2nice]

i highly suggest sequencing an asr externally. that way you wont really need the mpc for the ill drum sequencing. just multisample drums or whatever into the asr and sequence on your drum machine or software sequencer or whatever, and get the mpc-style sequencing with the asr sample engine. not to mention, keyboard instruments might be better sequenced by external sequencers, depending on what you are trying to do.

i use the eps-16+ (the sampler that ensoniq built before the asr, its similar) and i sequence with the protools midi sequencer and sometimes i sequence drums with a roland r5.... great sequencing!


BUT keep in mind, the biggest sacrifice to not getting an mpc is missing out on the user-friendly workflow of the mpc.

[gmixstudios]

I use the MPC2000xl for drums and the MV for everything else
BTW I sampled my fantom before selling it in keyboard mode on the MV so I dont really need a module for bread and butter.

see the weakest aspect of my MPC is the sampler
and the weakest part of my mv (in my opinion) is the sequencer

so together makes a meaty option

I used to use the MPC with the eps16+ and really regret getting rid as it was lush

[IceWaterMetallic]

yea the asr (i have the eps16+) is sick great combo with the mpc just make sure you get cool synth sounds for it (luckily mines came with a lot) it is a pain to work with but once I learned how to use the LFO and the filter, I appreciated it so much more knowing I can shape sounds into something somewhat different. and yes it is very old school when it comes to chopping samples and whatnot (I also use an MPC-60 and SP-12, but the SP-12 is the hardest of all), but it's something you'll get used to. but definitely do more research before you just go and buy it. also i've seen them go for as low as $400 and the highest i've seen was $900. you should check out craigslist for one because then you can actually try it out but if anything ebay works as well (I've never had problems with neither)

cheers

[3D Beats]

Asr 10 + MPC=Perfection

The asr is a dope sampler, easy to manipulate samples, chop things to bits and just do whatever you need to do. Sequencing is tedious though IMO, I used to use my asr 10 standalone for awhile. MPC, easy to use, great sequencer, the chopping is tedious, newer mpcs (i have a 1k) leave arn't the best sounding samples.

Take the best of both worlds. Sure, you can make the same thing on one or the other, but using both is such a good combo.