they're great... you just actually have to do some real edits, not just random tweeking here and there. the modulation is insane.
either way, you're not gonna get a ton of hip hop presets/sounds out of es2. it's definitely made more for dance/trance stuff... use ES1 only for sub bass. it's best in mono and for that. you can get some insane ying yang twin style depth on the subs with it.