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    Considering the Korg OASYS ... in depth

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    So many things need to be said on this topic ... and so little time.

    The OASYS is an interesting concept in a keyboard, to be sure. It has to be said right away that - as a simple point of fact - that what you are buying IS a PC + customized Operating System + interfaces + Keyboard + high-quality audio interface.

    So, in theory and principle, you don't have any technology which is different from PC + VSTs + Keyboard Controller + Audio Interface. Please don't argue this point, as it's demonstrable by simple observation.

    The high price point immediately creates two camps of individuals:

    1) Those who CAN afford it, buy it [for whatever reasons seem good to them], and have a vested interest in defending that purchase decision.
    2) Those who CAN'T afford it, and therefore feel a need to defend the notion that they really don't need it or want it.

    Those aren't the only categories, of course. But they do form a LARGE percentage of the people weighing in with opinions about the OASYS.

    I am in a "camp" which says "I CAN afford it, and if it represents a good value compared to other options, I WILL buy it." What constitutes a "good value" requires weighing all of the advantages and disadvantages of the OASYS against similar technologies with similar qualities & capabilities.

    I'd like to set some points of comparison in order to keep this as much of an "apples to apples" comparision as is possible.

    So, for that purpose, I am going to establish the following:

    I'll use the 76-key model of the OASYS as the comparision. This is important as it minimizes the cost as much as possible in comparing against other, lower-cost options.

    Other options must include a 76-key (or equivalent) controller as well, just to keep it fair.

    Other options must include at least the minmal number of sound-engine choices available on the OASYS: ROMpler/Sampler, Virtual/Modeled Analog and Modeled B3/C3 ... or equivalent technologies.

    "Sound quality" is certainly subjective. Even so, any technology or instrument used for comparison should be of "pro quality". It's therefore also unfair to claim that something has "inferior" sound quality if it is only a different type of technology, but still in wide use on stage or in studio. (A MiniMoog is noisier than just about ANY current synth, for instance, but is still considered the "king of synths" by many)

    Other solutions must include a high quality audio inteface". This is to prevent unfair cost comparisions based upon inferior onboard PC audio or consumer-quality cards.

    The OTHER part of any meaningful comparision must include some kind of "use case analysis". So, for these purposes, I'll deal with the following user types:

    1) A "gigging" keyboard player, who plays either solo or as part of a band.
    2) A "studio keyboardist/synthesist" primarily concerned with use in professional recording work. For this case, it is assumed that the musician is the owner of the OASYS, and ships/hauls the keyboard himself as required.
    3) A "project studio owner", concerned mostly with recording work. The OASYS is semi-staionary, and does not usually leave the studio environment.

    In my opinion, these scenarios form the most useful points of comparsion.

    (more to come ...)
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    [Seems not to be much interest. Perhaps this topic was talked to death while I was gone?]
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    I'm actually very interested, but since I haven't tried one i can't really say much ... the sampler has my attention since I'm looking for a sampler and I hate software BS
    real men use real hardware

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    The Oasys is a tight board, but i am in the group who could cop it if wanted, but to me, i dont need it. I already run an EMU-1820 card and audio dock with a Korg Karma, EMU MP-7 commmand station, and recently purchased Roland Fantom X rack.

    The Karma gives me the standard triton soundset and i have the grand piano expansion installed. Oasys has Karma 2 and i still havent really figured Karma 1 all the way out on the Karma Worstation The Karma also has the software to let you do generated effects on the computer and sync to the keyboard. All in all, the oasys is a very nice item. I have played it many times in the local GC here, but to me, i already have a lot of those sounds as well as the Karma features and i find myself using the command station/cubase for sequencing and recording audio. At a lower price point it might be more of a look into, but i would not knock anyone for buying it, if that is what floats their boat

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    If i did a lot of work that involved having to pump out a large number of tracks in short amounts of time, i'd definitely be into getting one of these.

    movie soundtrack work, television soundtrack, porn soundtracks, etc. etc etc.

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    ^^ I agree... probably cant beat the workflow on the Oasys no matter how many indivudal synths you have to "add up"

    Waiting on individual synths to power on, pc's to boot up, midi/audio routing/syncing...etc etc...

    For music 'pumpin'... the Oasys would most likely be ideal...specially in the fast pace film/jingle composing world.

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    ^^^ disagree......

    I can afford to buy it, but to justify it, I'd have to get rid of everything I got right now.

    I've got my PC, Sonar, AW4416, & FantomS.

    ON the PC, I have B4, I'd like to buy a Hammond XK, or Roland VK, but right now, I don't have the room.

    Now the Oasys can replace all that, but I really like the workflow I have right now, except that a project doesn't live in oneplace right now. Patches are in the Fantom, if I could get a utility that would save my tweaks in Sonar, that would be great. But as is, I have to save the patch in the Fantom, and call it from Sonar. The problem is if I decide to come back and redo the song a year from now, I'll have to try to remember what tweaks I made, if I overwrote the patch. The Oasys would solve this.

    Everything then gets tracked to the AW4416, then for mixing, I love the faders, knobs and all on the AW. That's what I'd miss the most. During this stage, I set up an "effects rack" in Sonar, and use it in conjuction with the AW over mLan.

    I've only sat down at an OASYS twice. Only on one of those occasions did I try to "dig in to it". Yes, you could probably do everything right there..... but personally, I don't think I want to.

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    -OFF topic- ^^^ You can try to use the studioware panels in Sonar to make/save your edits, while you use the Fantom ins file to call up the patches. There isnt a Studioware panel for the Fantom but the "Roland GS" studioware will work for most parameters.

    http://www.cakewalknet.com/index.php...emid=48#Roland

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    You can't make StudioPanels with anything later than Sonar2... my first version is Sonar3.

    & I can't find any panels for the FantomS.......

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