maschine = good sounds, not a great workflow
I had an mpc2500 for years then got rid of it, now I have a maschine, and even though the the maschine does the job, I now find myself wishing I still had my mpc, workflow was lightning fast boom boom boom, maschine it's like you have to go back n forth between the software and hardware sometimes, and if you want to use just the hardware I feel like there's too many button presses just to do certain things.
Maschine has a decent workflow but chopping takes longer, and arranging takes longer. Mpc is way quicker but you have to collect sounds for it.
Since they lowered the Maschine's price it might be worth fun factor for you, but I would say get the mpc ren or studio if you are looking for something like a sampler/groovebox
I'm not a big fan of software but you might find fruity loops or reason worth the fun factor, but I don't see fun in clicking around, dragging dropping and all that.
The fun factor for me was an mpc and just get your self some good samples/sounds
I never had a problem with the fantom x, then the fantom g for sounds but they got all kinds of keyboards available.
But addressing your original question... I got the maschine, took a few weeks to learn the ins and outs, then a couple months of making beats and I knew everything but the workflow still didnt match an mpc, I got bored about a month later and now I wish I had a 2500 with the JJOS again, or maybe the new mpc REN but still not sure cus its based on software also. I dont think any software is worth the fun factor unless your computer is f*ckin amazingly fast, I hate waiting that one second extra for something to load, maschines are quick but they are like that, might slow down for a sec, might take a second for a sound to load, all depends on the computer, I liked the mpc2500 because it loaded as fast I could turn the dial, unless of course I was loading big files but once they were loaded everything was quicker then the maschine was. I also use a new macbook pro with 4gb ram and very fast i7 processor but still I wasnt satisfied with the maschines workflow and I only make hip hop beats, I can imagine if your trying to make a detailed composition with a lot of change ups maschine would probably give you a headache, oh and you can only have 8 groups which are like tracks, theres ways around it using the sounds but thats more waste of time.
You cant go wrong with a fantom or an mpc, then again some like fruity loops and reason, it all depends on you, your ear, and your creativity but this is my opinion
Last edited by TranslationsMedia; 09-02-2012 at 01:57 PM.
I agree, the mv can get the job done but the workflow is slower and it's also a little harder to learn, plus the maschine and mpc are both better
[QUOTE=InspectahEX;49471040]maschine = good sounds, not a great workflow[QUOTE]
Nonsense. The best thing about Maschine is the workflow. Sounds like you're just not used to a software-based environment. I came from years of hardware based setups including MPCs and they are completely outdated compared to Maschine. The workflow on Maschine is so much faster than MPCs could ever dream of. Look at how fast you can duplicate pads on Maschine and all the ways you can quickly chop samples non-destructively. And you don't have to wait around to track out to a computer every single time, not to mention the slow ass loading times of MPCs.
I agree Noborders, I found that the Maschine is way diff to use than the MPC, but, its hard to believe at this point and time that I was doing all of that extra work trying to go from sub menu to sub menu while doing the same (kind of) operations as you can on the Maschine. The Maschine is the evolution of the sampler groovebox that will take you to the next level after you fully understand it. Although,The machine has a very steep learning curve (if your coming from and MPC or other equipment) so if you stick with it you will put it all together in no time. It is just amazing to see how fast the work flow is vs all other samplers's/grooveboxes and sequencers. You think to yourself, holy crap, why wasnt it like this from the begining instead of making it a confusing slow proscess that didnt make sense from an organic music making standpoint.
As I have said before on other threads, it is just beautiful how you can do so much with the unit and how quickly it is to use as a vst, plug in, controller, sampler and as a banging instrument. It's pure awesomeness to have two ways to track (and see) your work ie. chopping samples etc. either on the Maschine or your software on your puter screen. I cant tell you enough times, that the diff (with the workflow) is enough that the learning curve is what discourages most people coming from an MPC, after all the MPC was the standard by witch all of the workflow was derived from, including the terminology.
Stick with it though, it's well worth it and you will wonder how you ever got along without it!![COLOR="Silver"]
Last edited by bulgarianprince; 10-31-2012 at 09:46 AM.
Ok, so we have two ways outta here, there is hole "A" or "B" what way you heading? Me? I'm taking the A hole.
the MV8800 are Harware/software based tools that are great for sample based music. I've heard some wonderful stuff done on the MV, I know that RZA used to (maybe still does) use the MV for his productions.
They both have very similar features and a similar workflow. The main differences between the two are the online user communities. From experience, I know Maschine has a huge user community, full of forums, tutorials, experts, etc... Maschine's software is being constantly upgraded and it comes with thousands of drum sounds. That's definitely a plus for me.
Not being a Roland user, I cant comment about how much useful info there is on the web about the MV, but there seems to be a lot less information out there about the MV than the Maschine. But, in the end, both boxes are capable of making AMAZING music.
Whichever one you choose, just make sure you are able to commit YEARS to mastering that tool, because the real beauty in making beats comes once you master your tool. Good luck.
Last edited by RighteousRob; 01-06-2013 at 02:58 PM.
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