thunderkyss
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Damn Ja, you do a pretty good job of deating. maybe you should run for mayor or something, I'd vote for ya
thunderkyss said:Damn Ja, you do a pretty good job of deating. maybe you should run for mayor or something, I'd vote for ya
You are entitled to your opinion...but are a card carrying member of MV Nation for sure...do you sell patches like Trusty alsoThat post was garbage.
But, there was some garbage in your points.
1. Your tirade about the onboard sounds.
2. Hitting a pad can cause triggering of neighboring pads.
The first one is a bonus that should be applauded on Roland's part. And the second one was B.S. and made up. It has never happened to me or anyone I've ever known that has an MV. No one has had that happen. You read it nowhere...not like you read about the 4k crashing and the mpc pad's double-triggering.
I made this appoint already in another post. Most producers who have been using MPCs for years never felt the need to upgrade. Thus Kanye still using an MPC 2000..Dre still using a 3000..and even me..still mainly using the 3000 , my bread and butta. Phatt!There are still more 2kxl's in pro studios than any other mpc
Only new products are advertised. C'mon..that is no argument..I guess you haven't read the latest and greatest magazine dedicated to prducers and DJs, Scratch. An MPC is in over 90% of the interviewed producer's studios. I don't see this changing anytime soon but we will see.hardly see them in gear lists in the mags, and the other mpc's are showing up less and less.
This is what you claim...I just haven't come across this info..I know there is more than R&B and Hip-hop...which the MPC rules hands down..and you know this man! Please pick up an issue of Scratch. You can even get them on eBay.It is fast becoming the
hip-hop producers, classical composers, remixers, DJ's, pop producers, and even some rock bands production tool of chioce
Very small market. Geared towards home recording.It is as powerful as the mixing and mastering on VS recorders
Passion? Maybe. But I am not hear bragging or big upping the MPC 3000. No need for that. We all know what it can and can't do. And even with that and an MV in my studio...I will still use the MPC as my main sequencer just like many other producers...much more. The MV may make a good showing in the next few years but we will see.If you had half th epassion for the MV that you have for the mpc, you get tens times the use and functionality of it than all your mpcs and see why we are so happy with it and quick to recommend it.
I was considering a V-Synth. But the sounds were not my cup of tea. I know you can program any synth...but the presets were heavy in trance..house..euro beat...etc. I am not Lil' John so I didn't feel the need to experiment with that keyboard.And why have you not considered V-Synth?
Believe it or not, they all do have a purpose. Let's say you are a producer that is an MV fanatic And you want to take your MV porjects that are saved on disk to another studio. Well, my studio will be attractive to you. Lets say you love your Triton Studio and that you do everything in one. And my studio is the only place that has one..I would most likely get your business unless you wanted to carry your Triton around to another studio. See..I am putting together a production company/recording studio/record label. I will be looking for talent that have their own preferences of gear that they use. I will be able to satisfy their needs. So although I don't need them all, my customers and future employees may.You are probably like me, you have expendable cash all over the place...but that doesn't mean you should always spend it on things that will serve no purpose.
I am. I just trying to decide whether to get the Andromeda A6, Moog Voyayer/Voyager rack, or an older analog synth or all of them Since I am moving to Oklahoma very soon, I have very limited space. I have MPCs all over my living room..on the floor..on the couch...I had to put my ASR-10 in storage due to room.If you want lots of gear, buy more analog and virtual analog synthesizers.
Gear bashing at its finest...but you are entitled to your opinion as always. We may never be able to prove the STATS on these items...but MY guess is, there are more MPC 4000 users than MV-8000 users. This is just from my experience as a salesman. MV-8000s have to be special ordered here...not because the sell out, but because there is less of a demand. This doesn't mean that the MV is garbage. It has its place in the market today....but sometimes instruments that are overly expensive end up being garbage... like the 4k
jahrome said:Yes, I am a member of MV Nation and MPC Tutor....that was just a jokey joke. Keeping things light hearted..always
jahrome said:So here it is in print...you said that it was BS and that it is no here in print...Pg #179 of the Operating Manual entitled Reducing Unwanted Triggering of the Velocity Pads...I accept your apology in advance As I said before...Roland does not publish their BUG reports unlike Akai...
jahrome said:No tirade about on-board sounds...they are what they are..just samples on a hard drive not available for me unless I get another MV in the USA or buy patches from you, Trusty I will gladly give you my business when the day comes when I need them...
jahrome said:I made this appoint already in another post. Most producers who have been using MPCs for years never felt the need to upgrade. Thus Kanye still using an MPC 2000..Dre still using a 3000..and even me..still mainly using the 3000 , my bread and butta. Phatt!
jahrome said:Only new products are advertised. C'mon..that is no argument..I guess you haven't read the latest and greatest magazine dedicated to prducers and DJs, Scratch. An MPC is in over 90% of the interviewed producer's studios. I don't see this changing anytime soon but we will see.
jahrome said:This is what you claim...I just haven't come across this info..I know there is more than R&B and Hip-hop...which the MPC rules hands down..and you know this man! Please pick up an issue of Scratch. You can even get them on eBay.
jahrome said:Very small market. Geared towards home recording.
jahrome said:Passion? Maybe. But I am not hear bragging or big upping the MPC 3000. No need for that. We all know what it can and can't do. And even with that and an MV in my studio...I will still use the MPC as my main sequencer just like many other producers...much more. The MV may make a good showing in the next few years but we will see.
jahrome said:I was considering a V-Synth. But the sounds were not my cup of tea. I know you can program any synth...but the presets were heavy in trance..house..euro beat...etc. I am not Lil' John so I didn't feel the need to experiment with that keyboard.
jahrome said:You are right..I donot use any particular piece more than 20% with the exception of my MPC 3000LE. It is in use 100% of the time.
jahrome said:Believe it or not, they all do have a purpose. Let's say you are a producer that is an MV fanatic And you want to take your MV porjects that are saved on disk to another studio. Well, my studio will be attractive to you. Lets say you love your Triton Studio and that you do everything in one. And my studio is the only place that has one..I would most likely get your business unless you wanted to carry your Triton around to another studio. See..I am putting together a production company/recording studio/record label. I will be looking for talent that have their own preferences of gear that they use. I will be able to satisfy their needs. So although I don't need them all, my customers and future employees may.
jahrome said:I am. I just trying to decide whether to get the Andromeda A6, Moog Voyayer/Voyager rack, or an older analog synth or all of them Since I am moving to Oklahoma very soon, I have very limited space. I have MPCs all over my living room..on the floor..on the couch...I had to put my ASR-10 in storage due to room.
jahrome said:Gear bashing at its finest...but you are entitled to your opinion as always. We may never be able to prove the STATS on these items...but MY guess is, there are more MPC 4000 users than MV-8000 users. This is just from my experience as a salesman. MV-8000s have to be special ordered here...not because the sell out, but because there is less of a demand. This doesn't mean that the MV is garbage. It has its place in the market today....
jahrome said:Again, I have to add that I am not trying to tell anyone to get an MV or an MPC...but to inform potential buyers. This thread was told from the perspective of an long time MPC user.
jahrome said:I will be spending time with the MV-8000 again this weekend. It would be nice to hear a detailed account of another MPC/MV user pointing out the pros/cons of their unit. Not all PROs....When its all said and done, you buy the tools that fit your needs. No product is the ALL MEANS TO AN END..as others may suggest or imply.
jahrome said:Keep it comin..I ain't going nowhere
Those are the standard onboard stuff. Remember that it is also the sampler and undisputedly the greatest hardware sampler ever for sample manipulation. I also have little need for the onboard sounds...but that isn't its strength. Its real strength is what it can do to samples...especially your own samples...
Sigh...page 179 in the manual is the cover page for the chapter that begins the "Screen Guide". Nice try.
SOme of the biggest producers (Dre excluded) in hip-hop do NOT use a mpc.
Trusty....I won't say that you are not telling the truth...so I will say that you just made a mistake. Biggest producers??? Dr Dre uses an MPC everyday...actually several of them. You said that you read Scratch?? I guess you missed the first issue...with Dre on the cover. Kanye West?? You missed the issue with him on the cover as well. He uses the MPC 2000. Eminem, more of a rapper but steadily building production credits, uses an MPC as well. Visit www.forat.com. This is where many producers go to have their MPCs (MVs as well) customized. I have all but one copy of Scratch, which is on the way...don't make me quote all the producers that use an MPCNah, I see more SP-1200's, than mpc's for some reason...and it really isn't a workstation. Mostly Motif's these days...and computers.
I didn't mean the way it came out. The VS is probably by far the best selling hardware porta-studios. They are geared towards home studios even though that are being used on the road..for some. I wouldn't doubt that you may have seen them in someone studio but it is probably sitting in the back collecting dust. I have even owned a VS recorder...a VS 800 or 880, I think. My girlfriend paid over $2000 for one back in 1998...it is worth $150 now.quote:
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Very small market. Geared towards home recording.
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You are kidding right?????? Those are the BIGGEST selling hardware DAW's in its range. You crazy...every tour (Alecia Keys, Beyonce, etc...) has them on stage...Most "Access Granted", "Cribs", and other behind the scenes shows feature them in the studios...
Than you would choose that over the MV as well. A sequencer is a MIDI recorder/arranger. There is no hardware out there that can compete with the sequencer section of the MPC. Akai took the idea..expanded on it..and made its layout the standard. The MVs sequencer is a re-hash of the MPC. Almost identical. From the number of banks, pads, tracks, etc. I understand everyone has opinions but...I can't understand how anyone can state this. The XPs sequencer?? I won't justify that with a response If the MV had no time stretch or audio tracks.......I still used the XP-60's sequencer as well because it was my bread and butter and a much better sequencer than the mpc...imo
jahrome said:
1. Previewing samples from the hard drive without loading them.
jahrome said:2. Streaming samples directly from the hard disk...which means that you can play samples without loading them in RAM (saves a tremedous amount of time).
jahrome said:3. Word clock in/out for optimal syncing of digital soond sources
jahrome said:4. SCSI
jahrome said:5. High definition sampling support
jahrome said:6. Real-time control over filters, ptitch, LFOs, modulation, etc
I did say "Dre Excluded" and I don't think Dre actually uses the five mpc3k's in his studio...his ghost producers do.
I will demo this for sure.quote:
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1. Previewing samples from the hard drive without loading them.
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Yes.
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2. Streaming samples directly from the hard disk...which means that you can play samples without loading them in RAM (saves a tremedous amount of time).
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No.
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3. Word clock in/out for optimal syncing of digital soond sources
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No.
Maybe..from the standpoint of someone that never used older samplers before. Some newer model samplers and synth/sampler comnbo units don't have SCSI but many more have this feature than not. But I have compliled years of samples and song files on a zip disks. A SCSI port will allow me to transfer these files easily into the MV. My MPC, Triton Studio, and ASR(which is still boxed up) have SCSI. This is nice for me but some may not need this option. It is worthy to look into and consider, IMHO.quote:
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4. SCSI
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No...No point.
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5. High definition sampling support
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???
Will look into this for sure.quote:
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6. Real-time control over filters, ptitch, LFOs, modulation, etc
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Yes.
jahrome said:Hopefully Roland can add this in the future. The MPC 4000 has this feature as does many highend software based samplers. No need to chew up memory or load up large sound files, when you can just stream from disk.
jahrome said:Maybe..from the standpoint of someone that never used older samplers before. Some newer model samplers and synth/sampler comnbo units don't have SCSI but many more have this feature than not. But I have compliled years of samples and song files on a zip disks. A SCSI port will allow me to transfer these files easily into the MV.
All I am saying is that he probably doesn't touch any of it anymore. He tells other people what to do with them. I'd bet he doesn't actually "make" too many beats these days. That's all I am saying.