Straight said:Maybe MPCs don't COLOR the sample, but it may SOUND better.
I got more hip hop in my pinky than 90% of FP who think I don't got in their suburban wanna tell somebody what hip hop is bodies. Who I produce for that's pop? Yukmouth, Blackchild, Ruff Ryders, St. Laz, Outlawz, Gonzoe? Who? F**k y'all backpackin bichez.X-pert said:^Boon Doc Iz The Shiz Making That Real Hip Hop>>>Derranged Be Making That Hip Pop!!!! Thanks For Killing Hip Hop Homie
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But all this can be explained with Facts. I swear this has been stated millions of times up here, but for those that don't know, older samplers/drum machines had filters built into them. Like the ASR, MPC 60, but newer models don't. Any "coloring" you're getting is coming from the way your audio is handled. Even clipping will sound "colorful" and "warm" thru RCA cables to a Mixer/Pre. I could see if they were arguing about ASRs, but they're acting like their 1000s are outdoing computers.PlanetHitzProduction said:But I can tell ya'll this. That ASR is WARM. Great tone to it.
Straight said:Maybe MPCs don't COLOR the sample, but it may SOUND better.
A big plasma TV shows the same movie a lot better than my 20 year old samsung. No one COLORS nothing they just different.
Gold Fronts said:i believe he was talking not nessecarily about the sound QUALITY but "the way to instruments sound"
no one and i mean NO ONE is going to tell me that fruity loops/reason stock drums with some eq's and reverb, stacked on it is going to sound anything like an authentic sampled james brown snare or a sampled 1971 bass lick
if you're trying to make that traditional hip-hop thats what it was built on. ANALOG samples from VINYL. if you dont care about that sound then do whatever the ffff u want
if you think any other than that, slice youre throat and throw away the fruity loops and reason
TINY MONTANA said:This Vid is good for software users that make hip hop beats with those funny snares and synth sounds.[/I]
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:I didn't read all this thread I'll just get to some key points.
1. Who is this guy, what has he done. If he's not at least bigger than me, what can he tell me?
2. Clean drums dominate hip hop right now. For all of this millineum, this is why it's no longer nessesary to get breakbeats, 90% of you don't understand, my stock drums knock in clubs while you overcompress those vinyl drums to get that lil' bit of undistinguished knock. Other producers like your sh*t but rappers don't want them. Fans ain't listenin. The reason why Primos not as relevant in 2007 as Shawty Redd. Real talk.
3. There's no difference in the sound of either. He admitted to using stock drums in reason and analog vinyl samples in the MPC. I could redo the whole vid loading analog vinyl samples in Reason and stock drums in MPC and counterprove the entire point.
4. WTF can he hear thru those rinky dink computer speakers he's using?
5. This argument will go on forever because people are too dumb to know digital sound is digital sound. That mixer and M-Box he ran the MPC thru while using samples from vinyle will give it a different sound than stock drums on reason straight thru a soundcard, but you gotta be a dumb MF to not know why.
5. If he used Optical or SPDIF outs from both an MPC and his computer, used the same samples from both programs, he would get precisely the same sound from both. This is fact, make all the videos you want. Digital = digital the same as 2+2=4.
6. I'm not in defence of anything, I own it all, it's just annoying that you guys spend all this time thinking buying something new makes your sh*t sound better. That's why most of your sh*t is garbage now. 90% of the time when I see an unknown producer with over $2000 worth of sh*t, their music sounds like it's off of a casio. Learn to use what you got, that's all you need. Don't let some nikka in a lil' ass apartment with a MPC1000 and Reason tell you sh*t. Don't let me with my numerous credits and movie scores tell you sh*t. Look up actual factual documents that will prove everything I'm saying correct, then go make a got damn beat. Why is y'all taking advice from random nikkas who making assumptions based on their entry level experiences with reason and the new king of hardware the oh so unattainable production savior...the MPC1000
7. Nobodies "Making sure hip hoppers can't afford equipment". It's priced around the work that goes into it. Nobody makes Motifs $3,000 so that people can't buy them. And a real software producer's not using his moms computer. You're investing in something powerful enough to run programs as flawlessly as hardware runs. And vice versa. So my new sh*t is can't no nikka with anything less than an 88 key workstation, MV 8000, or MPC 4000 tell me sh*t. If ya sh*t got flash memory you're playing with toys.
I'll end this with my original statement to you. But I'm sure these are "words of an @$$hole" too? I don't just come up here startin sh*t, I correct misinformation. Your video was full of it, read the thread and realize dudes like BenL(who comes back as Dansmith, X-Pert, and whoever)fed off it and led to that post I made.deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:I can't speak for everybody, but before you think this is an "FP vs. You" or "Hardware vs. Software" or even "opinion vs. opinion" thing. It's none of the above. Just "fact vs. fiction".
Nomatter who says otherwise, even if the pope says otherwise, 2+2 is always gonna equal 4. 16bit 44.1kHz digital audio will always be 16/44.1 digital audio.
If you say 2+2=5 there is no "right or wrong based opn opinion", just absolute 100% incorrectivity. No disrespect to you fam, I'm aware that you beleived there was a difference in sound, but the difference comes from a million things.
Your playback quality while running reason could be poorer depending on if you use direct audio/mme/asio, and what drivers you use(won't effect the quality of the rendered sound). The mixer you ran your vinyl and MPC thru could give you what you conceive as a "richer, better sound", but none of this is coming from your MPC 1000 itself. Fact.
Different if you're talking about older drum machines with filters like the MPC60 or ASR. But 100% digital Audio is 100% Digital Audio compromisation gives it a different sound, but that can come from a million different things, but not the hardware itself.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:^^^This ain't about you, don't try to hit me with the hip hop underdog route, I am the hip hop underdog. It's not about the equipment. That's my point. The same way you use "good headphones' with absolutely no dynamic range and make sick music is the same way people can make sick music without ever touching an MPC.
You ain't been around here but 4 posts, I look like an @$$hole to anybody up here with 4 posts, when I'm speaking on them, you don't know me, and I don't know you. If you follow the whole thread, you'll realize it ain't about you, it's about the MPC dicc ryders who run around here like ya music's garbage if you don't use one. You just wasted your time explaining yourself when nobody was even thinking about you in general, just the falsifications in your vid that someone else chose to post.
If anyone's the "@$$hole bashing on everything positive" it's people who start threads like these. You got an MPC, so it's cool to agree in a thread that says you need an MPC to make good music(I know that's not your words), but what would you say if you ran across a thread saying "nomatter how good headphones are, you can't mix with them, you need $1000 Monitors". Or a thread saying "MPC 1000s and 500s are inferior to other models". Then you'd feel the need to defend your way of creating music as you just did in above post.
I own an MPC, these threads piss me off because they're misleading to the thousands of viewers who now think they gotta go out and buy an MPC just to make good sounding music.
Take the time to understand where this thread was headed and quit thinking your of any importance or relevance to the thread beyond page 1. Nobody's thinking bout you.
I'll end this with my original statement to you. But I'm sure these are "words of an @$$hole" too? I don't just come up here startin sh*t, I correct misinformation. Your video was full of it, read the thread and realize dudes like BenL(who comes back as Dansmith, X-Pert, and whoever)fed off it and led to that post I made.
My intentions weren't to offend, but inform, quit being sensitive.