Minimum Recommended PC Requirements for Music Production?

Just as a point of fact RSE:

I have nearly 30 years of experience in computing with 21 of those building machines.

I used to go to work with my dad and help build servers for IBM and Mastercard. I've been building my own machines since I was 12 and have always kept up with software, hardware and processing power. I know what works well and what doesn't.

Most importedly, you have to understand the question and the users experience levels to properly help. You can't just take something that applies to only you and then try to make them feel stupid.

What the OP obviously wants is something that will let him use modern vsts without thinking twice about it and without bouncing tracks.

Though he doesn't know it yet, he is looking for a multicore 64bit setup because anything in the realm of 32 bit cannot handle many multiple instances of battery and omnisphere and vsts of that category of heavyness.

So why didn't you understand that mr 30 years experience? Because you don't take into account how much more taxing modern vsts are! You're still stuck in the past that's why. I guess your experience worked against you this time.

You don't realize not everyone is geeked out with spare computer gear at home and likes building machines as a hobby.

You're still offering advice to newbies who would have a better experience with a Mac system and telling them to build their own PCs so they can stress out and have potential compatibility issues.

Things have changed sir.
 
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I used to go to work with my dad and help build servers for IBM and Mastercard. I've been building my own machines since I was 12 and have always kept up with software, hardware and processing power. I know what works well and what doesn't.

Most importedly, you have to understand the question and the users experience levels to properly help. You can't just take something that applies to only you and then try to make them feel stupid.

What the OP obviously wants is something that will let him use modern vsts without thinking twice about it and without bouncing tracks.

Though he doesn't know it yet, he is looking for a multicore 64bit setup because anything in the realm of 32 bit cannot handle many multiple instances of battery and omnisphere and vsts of that category of heavyness.

So why didn't you understand that mr 30 years experience? Because you don't take into account how much more taxing modern vsts are! You're still stuck in the past that's why. I guess your experience worked against you this time.

You don't realize not everyone is geeked out with spare computer gear at home and likes building machines as a hobby.

You're still offering advice to newbies who would have a better experience with a Mac system and telling them to build their own PCs so they can stress out and have potential compatibility issues.

Things have changed sir.



Is an HP PC with an Intel Dual Core Pentium processor at 2.22 ghz, 3 gb of ram, and 500 gb hard drive at 5000rpm adequate enough to run any DAW + VSTs? I know it's fast enough to install and use almost any program, but is it enough to smoothly operate without crashing, freezing, etc...?


^^^ Point to the part where he says anything about Omisphere please.

Not everyone wants to run Omnisphere, nor do they need to.

A 64bit OS is not nearly a necessity either. Unless the OP is going to run Sonar 64, he'll need a 32bit OS for the most part as Sonar's BitBridge is, at the moment, the best way to run 32bit plugins in a 64bit OS.

Funny that you say you and your father "built servers for IBM"... I'm a former IBM employee, first at Honeywell in North Phoenix and Central Phoenix, and then over at American Express in NW Phoenix (also did a stint as a subcontractor to IBM back in Michigan). My job was doing Unix server builds (Sun/IBM POWER), and as a back-up Win32 (IBM xSeries) and AS400/iSeries tech. At no point does IBM require someone to "build servers" for them; IBM builds and services their own. And, since IBM handled the IT services for Mastercard, they would have built them out for MC as well. Because both AmEx and MC have HEAVY security surrounding their datacenters, there's no way possible you ever touched anything in their facilities (if they would have even allowed you in) without getting your father walked out of the building.

Try again.
 
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^^^ Point to the part where he says anything about Omisphere please.

Not everyone wants to run Omnisphere, nor do they need to.

A 64bit OS is not nearly a necessity either. Unless the OP is going to run Sonar 64, he'll need a 32bit OS for the most part as Sonar's BitBridge is, at the moment, the best way to run 32bit plugins in a 64bit OS.

Funny that you say you and your father "built servers for IBM"... I'm a former IBM employee, first at Honeywell in North Phoenix and Central Phoenix, and then over at American Express in NW Phoenix (also did a stint as a subcontractor to IBM back in Michigan). My job was doing Unix server builds (Sun/IBM POWER), and as a back-up Win32 (IBM xSeries) and AS400/iSeries tech. At no point does IBM require someone to "build servers" for them; IBM builds and services their own. And, since IBM handled the IT services for Mastercard, they would have built them out for MC as well. Because both AmEx and MC have HEAVY security surrounding their datacenters, there's no way possible you ever touched anything in their facilities (if they would have even allowed you in) without getting your father walked out of the building.

Try again.

Actually i only worked on the projects we were working on so I never said I went around touching their stuff.

And that's only a handful of the experience I have. I have also been A+ certified back in the day and took classes and read many books and articles my whole life always keeping up with the newest and best.

And you don't need a 64bit DAW to get a memory break. Windoze can take up to 2 gigs of ram to run itself and that leaves only 2 left if you're running 4 gigs. But if you're on 8 you have 2 taken up and the rest maxed by the 32 bit app.

The important thing is that it can SEE all the memory, not how much the individual app is maxed at.

A 64bit os running a 32 bit DAW with 8 gigs will run faster than a 32bit os running a 32 bit DAW with 4 gigs.

There's a huge difference. I know because I've done A to B comparissons already and you can stack wayyyyy more effects in 64bit without ever bouncing tracks.

It doesn't matter your history, this is a case where, because I have more money than you, I can get the latest gear sooner and make real world comparissons that you haven't yet. Learn from me.
 
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Actually i only worked on the projects we were working on so I never said I went around touching their stuff.

No, you said:

I used to go to work with my dad and help build servers for IBM and Mastercard.

You claim that you built servers for IBM and MC. You would have gotten your father fired for that and I know this to be fact, so try to fix the lie again.

And that's only a handful of the experience I have. I have also been A+ certified back in the day and took classes and read many books and articles my whole life always keeping up with the newest and best.

And you don't need a 64bit DAW to get a memory break. Windoze can take up to 2 gigs of ram to run itself and that leaves only 2 left if you're running 4 gigs. But if you're on 8 you have 2 taken up and the rest maxed by the 32 bit app.

The important thing is that it can SEE all the memory, not how much the individual app is maxed at.

A 64bit os running a 32 bit DAW with 8 gigs will run faster than a 32bit os running a 32 bit DAW with 4 gigs.

There's a huge difference. I know because I've done A to B comparissons already and you can stack wayyyyy more effects in 64bit without ever bouncing tracks.

It doesn't matter your history, this is a case where, because I have more money than you, I can get the latest gear sooner and make real world comparissons that you haven't yet. Learn from me.

Again, you don't know half of what you're talking about.

32bit WinXP is capable of addressing up to 4GB of RAM as long as the hardware you're running it on supports it. The switch to use in your boot.ini file is /PAE (Physical Address Extension). I don't bring it up much because your mileage with it will vary, and as I said your hardware has to support it. Technically speaking, 32 bit XP SHOULD be able to address 64GB of RAM like Win2000 and 2003 Server, but Microsoft seems to have intentionally crippled XP so you don't just run out and buy an XP license, turn on PAE, and run an Oracle or SQL server on it instead of buying a 2003 server license.

I want you to PROVE this A-B comparison you claim to have done. If you can't or won't, then simply shut up and go away. I've already caught you in a massive lie up to this point, I just want to see if you're going to continue trolling or not.
 
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No, you said:



You claim that you built servers for IBM and MC. You would have gotten your father fired for that and I know this to be fact, so try to fix the lie again.



Again, you don't know half of what you're talking about.

32bit WinXP is capable of addressing up to 4GB of RAM as long as the hardware you're running it on supports it. The switch to use in your boot.ini file is /PAE (Physical Address Extension). I don't bring it up much because your mileage with it will vary, and as I said your hardware has to support it. Technically speaking, 32 bit XP SHOULD be able to address 64GB of RAM like Win2000 and 2003 Server, but Microsoft seems to have intentionally crippled XP so you don't just run out and buy an XP license, turn on PAE, and run an Oracle or SQL server on it instead of buying a 2003 server license.

I want you to PROVE this A-B comparison you claim to have done. If you can't or won't, then simply shut up and go away. I've already caught you in a massive lie up to this point, I just want to see if you're going to continue trolling or not.

Well I guess you don't understand.

Here let me simplify it for you: I have experience working with servers for IBM and Mastercard.

The point is that you're not special just because you were employed for a technical based company. The whole point is that despite you having a limited knowledge of technology, you don't keep up or have a grasp of what musicians need out of their tools in 2010.

They not only didn't kick us out but they escorted us to the server area because we had proper identification.

If you want proof you can lookup benchmarks that have already been conducted.

You lost again lol
 
Well I guess you don't understand.

Here let me simplify it for you: I have experience working with servers for IBM and Mastercard.

The point is that you're not special just because you were employed for a technical based company. The whole point is that despite you having a limited knowledge of technology, you don't keep up or have a grasp of what musicians need out of their tools in 2010.

They not only didn't kick us out but they escorted us to the server area because we had proper identification.

If you want proof you can lookup benchmarks that have already been conducted.

You lost again lol

Trolling...

Yep. That's what I thought. When proof is demanded, you buckle and run. Put up or shut up, and you decide to try to redirect attention.

You're a lying troll and everyone on this site knows it.
 
lol

its more fun listening to my friends who do music on stock amgia 1200's talk about it than this pissing match

done on a stock Commodore Vic 20. Everything rendered live. speech synthesis was figured out and faked by the guy who made the demo.



so maybe its not really the computer?

maybe its what you do with it
 
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lol

its more fun listening to my friends who do music on stock amgia 1200's talk about it than this pissing match

done on a stock Commodore Vic 20. Everything rendered live. speech synthesis was figured out and faked by the guy who made the demo.



so maybe its not really the computer?

maybe its what you do with it


which is something I've been trying to get through FP'ers heads for quite some time.

And... For the record, I had an Amiga 2000HD alongside my Atari 1040STE.
 
I would increase RAM ... specialy when you want to use multi sample VST instruments ... I have 8 GB RAM and it is ok ... also wahat is good have separated disk for samples ... this mens disk on which is not OS (7200 rpm better). My configuration is ... Intel Quadro 6600, 8 GB RAM, 500GB - OS and Apps, 1TB samples and projects (Both 7200 WD Black - 5 years warranty :) ), NI Audio Kontrol 1 ... controllers are Studiologic VMK 161, Akai EWI USB, Axiom 25 ...
 
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