Reason 5

Do you think REASON 5 will allow third party plug ins?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 8.7%

  • No

    Votes: 63 91.3%
  • Total voters
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joey tunez

joey tunez

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Do you guys think Reason 5 will allow third party plug ins?
i hope on of you insiders knows something, thats my only dig on reason.
any propellerhead people on here?
 
Reason's Whole "Thing" is that it doesnt use vsts.... if it did, there would be no competition DAW wise....

so will there be vst support on reason 5? ....No.

Should There be? Yes.
 
man i wish they did so bad.
i learned how to make beats again on REASON ( i used to work with my bro when i was nine but stopped at 12 so i had to basically learn in the digital age)
the sequencer is so damned easy and straight forward.
logic is getting a little more familar but ableton is throwing me the hell off though i am hearing it is the one i need but no one can explain why.
if reason lets 3rd parties in its a wrap.
 
joey tunez said:
if reason lets 3rd parties in its a wrap.
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Exactly. and steinberg owns vst technology.. so im sure they wouldn't allow propeller head to use it knowing full well it would shut cubase down...
 
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it will never happen. its what makes propellerheads in its own catagory all together. (not too say that its better, just different)

i dont see what the big deal is? get reaper it cost pennies. learn to rewire and there you have it.
 
propeller needs to start sellin those synths as vsti's

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also...if they made it easier to use ur mouse to paint in notes, i would drop everything an move to it...no more rewire ish...save up on cpu
 
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fukc VSTi w/ Reason...

that'll make shit TOO damn easy!

i don't even want it!

the simple fact that Reason DOESN'T allow 3rd party VSTi'z is one of the things that SETS IT APART from all the others!

FUKC makin' it more similar.

if cats got a problem w/ the shit, THEN SWITCH TO SOME OTHER SHEIT.

$.02

(/rant...not directed at anybody in particular)_
 
I hate rewiring, the clocks don't match up right between programs or something and the controls are different also

- for example if you rewire reason into pro tools the pre count don't work right and the looping will make the the drums clip even if perfectly quantized.
 
REASON -

- has no waveforms anywhere in the program... you can't edit anything precisely in it.

- has a drum module with only 10 banks - LIVE has 128

- Limits you to 3 synths... has two samplers - for no reason...

- Has a pretty limited arp

- Has a module you can't really use unless you buy Recycle

- Has a mastering suite that can't mess with freeware plugin's...

- Can't record your voice

- Doesn't have Tap Tempo



I don't know what the deal with Propellerheads is... at first they didn't want you to record... Then they made RECORD... you had to pay for it, lol. Eventually, they'll have a VST host to that will let your rewire REASON into it and it'll work with RECORD and it will all be great... you'll just have to fork out some more money.
 
biggrome said:
REASON -

- has no waveforms anywhere in the program... you can't edit anything precisely in it.

- has a drum module with only 10 banks - LIVE has 128

- Limits you to 3 synths... has two samplers - for no reason...

- Has a pretty limited arp

- Has a module you can't really use unless you buy Recycle

- Has a mastering suite that can't mess with freeware plugin's...

- Can't record your voice

- Doesn't have Tap Tempo



I don't know what the deal with Propellerheads is... at first they didn't want you to record... Then they made RECORD... you had to pay for it, lol. Eventually, they'll have a VST host to that will let your rewire REASON into it and it'll work with RECORD and it will all be great... you'll just have to fork out some more money.
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lmao.. exactly why i said im good with rewire into cubase. if you already spent the doe on other software to enable you to use vst instruments/plugins ect. there is no point in wanting prop to have it. all you will do in the end is waste more money that could have been spent on something else.

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v.ray21 said:
lmao.. exactly why i said im good with rewire into cubase. if you already spent the doe on other software to enable you to use vst instruments/plugins ect. there is no point in wanting prop to have it. all you will do in the end is waste more money that could have been spent on something else.

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Yeah, I consider REASON a very capable VSTI...


If you could see waveforms in it, set loop points, chop, etc... it would be great.
 
hmmm
good argument rome,
i never considered it a vsti itself.....
i really need to learn live.......
 
i dont understand this whole complaint about plug ins in reason. you should have known you couldnt use them before you got it. I was actually debating on going with some vsts in my setup with Reason or even leaving Reason behind but as I looked around sweetwater I realized that I could do what most of these vsts do in Reason already. Most of these vsts are romplers anyway. Yay sound roms how many romplers do you really need? I have Reason and a few refills I have my Trinity Rack and my M3R I am good on romplers. A new synth might be fun but every sound I can think of i can pretty much program on the subtractor so again whats the point. Record should have been Reason 5. Record in itself is actually a decent program but if u only think of it as adding the ability to record audio into Reason which it does well you have kinda missed the point. I would like to see some external midi updates so u could sequence and record midi from your hardware into Record on a later update because I think there are some cool niche synths (well most hardware is niche these days) and they could reall compliment Reason and Record. But if u want Reason accept it for what it is.
 
Xabiton said:
i dont understand this whole complaint about plug ins in reason. you should have known you couldnt use them before you got it. I was actually debating on going with some vsts in my setup with Reason or even leaving Reason behind but as I looked around sweetwater I realized that I could do what most of these vsts do in Reason already. Most of these vsts are romplers anyway. Yay sound roms how many romplers do you really need? I have Reason and a few refills I have my Trinity Rack and my M3R I am good on romplers. A new synth might be fun but every sound I can think of i can pretty much program on the subtractor so again whats the point. Record should have been Reason 5. Record in itself is actually a decent program but if u only think of it as adding the ability to record audio into Reason which it does well you have kinda missed the point. I would like to see some external midi updates so u could sequence and record midi from your hardware into Record on a later update because I think there are some cool niche synths (well most hardware is niche these days) and they could reall compliment Reason and Record. But if u want Reason accept it for what it is.
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there are some questionable tone issues on this one that i will address.
- firstly i don't know if you even read all of this but i will repeat i started off on reason when i started producing the whole idea of a vst was pretty new to me.

- secondly while you are right about being able to create most sounds from the vsts on reason you are forgetting the issue of time. when i am making a beat i want to due a little tweaking at the most. i don't have time to be hamming up my creative process trying to create a sound from scratch and most of the synth patches in reason refills (i have synths 1 - 3) are god awful. i have since made quiet a few of my own but the process is very time consuming. niether you or i are rob papen.

- also, while I specifically used to word "plug in" rather than vst or vsti for the purpose of specifying a program used to make music and a program used to improve the sound quality of that music.
any wavs bundle >>>>> reason mastering suite.
you could theoretically mix totally in reason but to get a good mix you gotta put in a lot more effort than just doing some stuff in pro tools.
i really do love reason and just want it to become a more complete product so i don't have to keep jumping from program to program to use.
 
joey tunez said:
- for example if you rewire reason into pro tools the pre count don't work right and the looping will make the the drums clip even if perfectly quantized.
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first of all, that's Digidesign's fault...

second, CLIPPING and QUANTIZING are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT things.
 
1. as far as i know, reason is the only one using a "rewire" set up so it is on them to make sure it works optimally for all the major (and it doesn't get anymore major than pt) sequencers.

2. clipping is the wrong word, but it is definently timing related, you hear a distinct sound when the drum loops back over to the first bass hit very annoying.
 
joey tunez said:
2. clipping is the wrong word, but it is definently timing related, you hear a distinct sound when the drum loops back over to the first bass hit very annoying.
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i know exactly what you're talking about...and the way to fix it is by shifting the "event" BY ONE 64TH NOTE.

and i mean ONE.

just NUDGE it, either ONE notch left, or ONE notch right...and you WILL have to zoom ALL THE WAY IN to get the result you're looking for.

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joey tunez said:
1. as far as i know, reason is the only one using a "rewire" set up so it is on them to make sure it works optimally for all the major (and it doesn't get anymore major than pt) sequencers
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and the MAIN REASON that's on Digidesign is because that same problem don't exist w/ OTHER applications when they're ReWired w/ Reason.

that's a PRO TOOLS SPECIFIC problem.
 
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