NinjaNess said:Whenever I try to chop up samples, they end up sounding ****ty. But when I loop it, I can usually make some hot beats....But I was thinking, looping samples is much easier than chopping them up (imo)....So would that make me any less of a beat maker?
I usually feel u add great advice to the threads here and I don't feel that this is really bad advice I just disagree. I mean aren't we in the business to put together good sounding music even if it is just a loop. To me the only reason I can see to not sample or to not loop is simply money. Granted to a lot of people are only looking for money and thats fine theres nothing wrong with getting paid to do what you love. I like it when I get paid for beats but theres a fine line between creativity and freedom to create and just looking for money. If a loop sparks ones creativity or inspires them how can it be wrong? Maybe Im weird but I feel there is a point where we have to let our pride go and just do what feels rightMysto said:no offense but to me thats like saying stealing a record is much easier then creating one someone who straight loops and adds nothing of their own except a drum pattern isnt really a beatmaker or are they, maybe just that, a "beat" maker since their just adding drums . Plus do u really wanna deal with sample clearances in a day and age when thats the last thing a label wants to hear, to a label a sample = them loosing more $$ on clearing in a time where they are already not making enough from album sales, especially a straight looped sample where they get hit over the head. Just my 2 cents
Xabiton said:I usually feel u add great advice to the threads here and I don't feel that this is really bad advice I just disagree. I mean aren't we in the business to put together good sounding music even if it is just a loop. To me the only reason I can see to not sample or to not loop is simply money. Granted to a lot of people are only looking for money and thats fine theres nothing wrong with getting paid to do what you love. I like it when I get paid for beats but theres a fine line between creativity and freedom to create and just looking for money. If a loop sparks ones creativity or inspires them how can it be wrong? Maybe Im weird but I feel there is a point where we have to let our pride go and just do what feels right
you make very good points. I have nothing against keyboard or sample based producers infact I do both. Not saying Im a great keyboard player but I can play some. I find myself being more creative with a sample because I want to turn it into my vision rather than just making a copy of someone else work and I'm limited to what the sample offers. I guess it all depends on the user tho. You and Pizzi are amazing keyboard players and thats what you do I think you should stick to what your best at but I think sampling is a skill in itself just not a traditional musical skill. And your very right about the Rhianna thing. A sound like hers wouldn't fare well with a lot of sampling imo. She does well with synths but at the same time some people's style fits better over samples too. And now Im talking too much someone is going to come in here and catch feelings and start a keyboard vs sample debate. Ill shut up now lolMysto said:hmm we probably shouldnt continue this topic lol cause it will lead to a sample vs compose thread and im sure everyone is tired of those. But just to clear up my point of view> i disagree with the idea that the only reason not to sample is money. in fact i think i can turn each of your statements exactly around and make it work vice versa such as the claim there is "a fine line between creativity and freedom to create and just looking for money". Cause technically composing ur own stuff gives u more creativity and freedom then a sample ever will and in fact i can just as easily say those who sample are in it only for the money, cause all they doing is taking someones else thing, remixing it kinda, and selling, quick $$ flip .
But Really the biggest reason that me and pizzi dont sample (besides the creative freedom is gives us to do whatever we want) is the fact that in the end of the day, once we finish a record, it feels darn good to know that we created that from scratch, from our head based on our taste and our love of music. Where on the other hand if we sampled we would straight up feel unresponsible for the creation u know, i wouldnt be able to walk around proudly saying i created that knowing that someone else actually did.
But this topic gets crazy and in the end there are alot of different variations to this u know, u got the people who straight jack a loop, then those who chop, then those who take 1 little element and add 20 of their own, then you got the diddy's who remake a record in their own view which i still do give props too as well .
Just dont want my view being misunderstood, i dont hate samplers, i personally just dont give them as much props "musically" as someone who created it all by themselves cause to me thats musicianship. But thats just me cause i come from a tough classical musical background
also, and this aint about money, but a sample/loop based beatmaker really is limited in the music world creative freedom-wise. Im talking bout music besides hiphop. Lets say you had to get in the studio with Rihanna tomorrow, if ur a sample based producer then you most likely will not have enough time or resources to find a sample to "fit" her sound because u might not even know what "her sound" will be or what shes looking for up until ur in there the next day and she tells u i wanna do something crazy like this..... etc. etc. If your a true composer then you'll be able to bangout whatever, whenever.
lol i wrote alot there i think i might have gotten carried away, gotta go to sleep now hehe hope i clarified my point.. peace
NinjaNess said:Whenever I try to chop up samples, they end up sounding ****ty.
damn very true but damnNastyNewJersey said:whatever you fools say the greatest songs in hiphop have always been sampled, and not chopped to death like the crap yall post. im not against chopping but you guys take it too far claiming that looping is anything but art. i get mad when i here make you better, or TROY, or the tru york intro. i dont get mad because they just threw some drums on a loop and made a great beat, i get mad cus i didnt get the sample first. all of you are stuck in some fantasy world where people want to hear ****ty beats that are chopped into unrecognizable pieces because thats "real hiphop". im not tryna be an ******* but ive only heard like two producers on here who make good beats with lots of chops and the rest of it sounds like ****. you guys need to stop following the crowd and get real.
but u gotta know when too much is too much a lot of the time if u add to the sample more than drums and bass it can often be too muchluke locks said:I'd say keep working your ass off at chopping and flipping samples. If you straight loop it, you gotta be able to add your own sounds other than drums and bass. I know this dude thats a total stan for Dr. Dre's Chronic. He told me that those songs were all loops but had live instrumentation over them, so that's kinda how he dus it. He loops adds drums n bass and plus keys or strings/guitars whatever.
NastyNewJersey said:whatever you fools say the greatest songs in hiphop have always been sampled, and not chopped to death like the crap yall post. im not against chopping but you guys take it too far claiming that looping is anything but art. i get mad when i here make you better, or TROY, or the tru york intro. i dont get mad because they just threw some drums on a loop and made a great beat, i get mad cus i didnt get the sample first. all of you are stuck in some fantasy world where people want to hear ****ty beats that are chopped into unrecognizable pieces because thats "real hiphop". im not tryna be an ******* but ive only heard like two producers on here who make good beats with lots of chops and the rest of it sounds like ****. you guys need to stop following the crowd and get real.
thats the best way. you shouldnt pass up a great loop just cus it wont be 100% original.bobsmitt said:i loop if i can and i chop if there's no loop.